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deepwatersolo · 09/12/2018 19:01

Oh, no worries Verbeena, I am sure Nicola formerly known as XXX Huntley will be able to convince some psychologist that she is a true woman.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 19:02

deepwater indeed...

Datun · 09/12/2018 19:02

No, because I all along have said I don't agree with self ID.

So what's the criteria then? A GRC?

Because a GRC still relies on a man saying it out loud. There is no test.

And secondly a GRC doesn't stop you being a violent rapist. Karen Jones. Killer and attempted rapist blames their crime on their gender dysphoria.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:03

I think that's only half a tale though bernardsblack as there was a only a couple of those but the others saying - men I can't seem to find anymore?
So I think they've gone too.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 19:03

This is not a goady question, Verbeena, but what do you believe as you seem to be arguing with a lot of people and I feel that we might all have a lot of common ground.

Personally I believe that men are men, women are women, transmen are transmen and transwomen are transwomen.
I would love for everyone to live their lives how they wish however we need to protect vulnerable women and children by not opening doors to anyone who feels that they are a woman.
I don’t believe in self ID.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:06

VisitorsEntrance This is not a goady question, Verbeena, but what do you believe as you seem to be arguing with a lot of people and I feel that we might all have a lot of common ground*

That's the stupid thing about these threads, I bet there's a lot we actually agree on.
You can blame the extreme posters for the rest of us who have got fed up with discussing, as unless you say you don't accept any transwomen at all, they (extreme posters) don't want to know.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 19:06

MNHQ stated in their email to me that they delete accusations of transphobia from both sides of the debate...

I have to say that I do not think that this is true and, even if it was, I was NOT accusing these posters of transphobia in any serious way but illustrating that their views would be considered transphobic in the current climate!

Anyway, I don't want a temporary suspension (the next step apparently) so I shall stop using the T word.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:09

Anyway, I don't want a temporary suspension (the next step apparently) so I shall stop using the T word

What T word, trans? Transwomen? As you can still say them? I'm sure you can.
Your posts were more than saying the T (trans?) word.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 19:10

Verbeena I am annoyed that you think I have lied about my reasons for being deleted. I have copied and pasted the email below just for you - it is not 'half a tale'. How bloody offensive.

Hi starcrossedseahorse

We're getting in touch about your posts on this thread. We don't feel that it's civil to continue calling people transphobic - we wouldn't allow this from either side of the debate, so we are requesting that you stop this. If we continue to remove your posts from the thread, we will need to consider a temporary suspension.

We're doing our very best to keep these discussions open for our users but to do that, we need the conversations to remain civil - anything less than that isn't something we can support, so please do bear this in mind.

Best wishes
MNHQ

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:11

Ah right, fair enough if that's the reason they gave. I was just saying though that the posts saying - men seem to have gone too.
Which they have.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 19:11

The word I was referring to Verbeena was (whisper it) transphobic as I have already pointed out FGS.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 19:12

What does - men mean?

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:14

What does - men mean?

What is the actual point? I mean, you were saying that you couldn't see anything on the other threads, etc.
It happens on this thread too with posts, and you still don't see it.
I mean - why? You obviously can't see, it's not me.

Albadross · 09/12/2018 19:15

I read pretty much all the threads (and killed one actually) where discussion of this nature happens and I have to say I have no idea what you mean either Verbeena. If you disagree with self ID, which TWAW and how/who makes that decision in a way that doesn't mess up safeguarding of vulnerable women and girls?

People are always very careful to explain the difference (not that it should need explanation, frankly) between saying 'I don't want anyone who was born male sharing intimate spaces with me because we have masses of evidence that shows males commit sexual violence against women at alarmingly high rates' and saying 'I dislike or hate all transpeople and they should not be free to live their lives'.

I don't understand why you keep telling people to read the threads to find these alleged comments when people who have read the threads are telling you they didn't see them at the time and can't find them now.

starcrossedseahorse · 09/12/2018 19:16

I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about now.

I do not know what '- men' means and I asked civilly enough.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 19:21

Verbeena, are you a politician? You do a splendid job of avoiding answering direct questions.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:28

I don't understand why you keep telling people to read the threads to find these alleged comments when people who have read the threads are telling you they didn't see them at the time and can't find them now

Because if one of the people saying "I didn't see any on the other threads and there's none on this thread either" then proceed to have tons of deletions themselves for doing the same thing, they're not going to see it, are they.
People can't see anything extreme even if it's there or it's them doing it.So why link to it? They can't see it even on the thread.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:29

Verbeena, are you a politician?

Lol, no.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:29

Genuine first smile raised all day, so ta for that at least.

VisitorsEntrance · 09/12/2018 19:30

Still can’t answer a straight question though.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 09/12/2018 19:32

see any on the other threads and there's none on this thread either" then proceed to have tons of deletions themselves for doing the same thing, they're not going to see it, are they

star said she wasnt deleted for making transphobic comments

Are you still saying she was?

Don was deleted on another thread and then reinstated...

sackrifice · 09/12/2018 19:32

Because if one of the people saying "I didn't see any on the other threads and there's none on this thread either" then proceed to have tons of deletions themselves for doing the same thing, they're not going to see it, are they.

The deletions are them pointing out that you are doing the same thing that you are accusing them of doing, because your original accusations make no sense.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:34

Still can’t answer a straight question though

Told you why. Blame the extreme posters for that. Not me.

Some, maybe yourself, may genuinely want to know. Others don't though.

HestiaParthenos · 09/12/2018 19:38

I don't care what you agree with or don't agree with on a personal basis, as long as you politically support eroding women's rights to privacy, you are responsible for this happening.

It's just how things are.

VerbeenaBeeks · 09/12/2018 19:41

star said she wasnt deleted for making transphobic comments Are you still saying she was?

Ok, but where have the posts saying they're all men gone? As I can't seem to find them anymore.
Is this why extreme posters talk about screenshots they've taken of extreme trans side? So they can prove they were there in the first place?
Always wondered why some were all about talking and grabbing screenshots. This must be why.