To think Scotland should be allowed to leave the UK and remain in the EU

[nickiredcar]

New poll says that most Scots think they would be better off leaving the UK after brexit. It's time they had another vote right?

Yes please.

Problem is that this scenario would take quite some time to become reality and by then the fallout from brexit will have happened. Hopefully not irreversible for us north of the border.

But they voted to stay within the UK. Perhaps you are suggesting a second vote?

Voted to stay in the UK when the UK was part of the EU.

Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU and is now being dragged out against the collective will of its people.

FFS!!
Do people honestly believe that another 2 years of uncertainty over another referendum is what Scotland needs ??

Scotland needs a government that does its day job for a while. Run the schools properly, stops teachers going on strike remember the 80's strikes that stopped all sorts of school sports and extra clubs took years to get these things back up and running.
Get the recruitment crisis in the NHS sorted train more people. Stop relying on pretrained people from abroad who come here and add to the housing shortage, train the people who ARE here.
And if they aren't highly enough qualified to train then sort the schools out and make sure we have kids leaving schools with the right skills to train as nurses, teachers, doctors, etc.

Construction industry again do more to encourage employers to train kids in proper traditional apprenticeships not YTS schemes under a new name.

Give kids in high unemployment areas new hope for their futures not cast them aside in favour of pretrained people from Eastern Europe.

So much business is done across the UK. That if you think leaving Europe's a nightmare spliting the UK will be a disaster. So many international companies who already avoid UK taxes very easy for them to avoid paying tax in Scotland.
So many companies operate UK wide with HQ in England therefore tax would go to England. Retail is already struggling why make it 100x worse.

They had their chance, they choose to stay. We can't just keep having the same referendum over and over again until we get the result we want. It's a very dangerous and slippery slope.

What Edthebear says is correct.

Also taxation is increasingly different from the rest of the UK very unfair

Voted to stay in the UK when the UK was part of the EU

Well tough. None of us have a crystal ball into the future. They had a choice and they made it and now need to live with the consequences of that choice. The time will for another referendum will come but not anytime soon. I might be wrong and am to lazy to google it but I have a vague recollection of somebody saying whatever they voted was their lot of the next 30 years. Everybody was full aware of what they were voting for when they elected to stay, so suck it up buttercup.

There are so many things that the Scottish Government does not control. It's pretty hard to try and improve the areas that are not devolved. Like someone expecting you to "get on with the day job" with one hand tied behind your back.

No thanks. The last referendum was bad enough and poisoned the whole country against each other.

Yanbu. Will of the people and all that. Same for Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. It's interesting to see people tie themselves in knots to try to show that one referendum is completely different from the other

AlmostAlwyn

I call BS. There are shedloads of areas controlled by the Scottish government - health and education for just a start. How about tackling those areas for a start and show the rest of us how it's done rather than blaming those evil English?

Ps loads of other areas voted Remain too

Bluebird1234 Perhaps the extra taxation helps pay for the free prescriptions and university places that aren't available in England. I'm Scots, born and bred but live in England. We have more in common than differences.

I think Brexit could potentially lead to Scotland leaving the UK, especially if NI has different customs arrangements. I think that would be really sad as it’s sort of via the back door, but it seems fair enough to me.

Seems fair enough to me. Maybe the whole of the uk should have their independence vote. Now that would be interesting as to what would happen.

YANBU - but wait until the full economic/social negativity of Brexit hits to give the independence campaign more leverage.

No. I’m in England and I voted remain however as a PP said, we can’t just keep having the same vote over and over again.

I for one just want to get on with Brexit now. I didn’t vote for it, I didn’t vote in a Tory (/DUP) government either but that’s just tough luck for me.
I’m clearly not on the side of the majority (or technically not on the later point) of my country but I’m sick of the ‘lets have a peoples vote’ crap.

What the fuck is any vote if not a ‘people’s vote’. Personally I don’t think the vast majority of people take the time to understand half of what they should in a General Election, in the referendum (Scots & BREXIT) it was even less so.

Some of the campaign messages were later found to be unlawful, for me that should have invalidated the whole sorry mess but hey, people like being told “we’ll be richer, more autocratic, less invaded by pesky immigrants” without any actual basis for that statement.

Now there is shock and outrage that the borders between us and the rest of Europe / EU will become more difficult to manage and lead to more difficult times for business and higher rates of illegal immigration.

That was all foretold and dismissed as scaremongering.

How do you think Scotland will cope with that issue alone if England does what France basically has said it will and make that your problem to manage?

Becles

Unfortunately, it's not as easy as it sounds. Healthcare funding in Scotland is tied to that in England. So the more NHS England reduces its costs by outsourcing to private companies, the less money NHS Scotland has to try and fund the same services (with a particularly widely distributed population).

How do you think Scotland will cope with that issue alone if England does what France basically has said it will and make that your problem to manage?

An independent Scotland will have access to 27 EU countries. Its only land border is with England, not France. There is no contentious issues with this border as their is with Ireland/Dover-Calais borders.

An independent Scotland would have to apply to join the EU. It would take years and require jumping through lots of hoops And more likely than not Spain would veto it.

An independent Scotland would have to apply to join the EU. It would take years and require jumping through lots of hoops And more likely than not Spain would veto it.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/spain-drops-plan-to-impose-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu

They had their chance, they choose to stay.

When the driving force of the No campaign was that it was the only way we could remain in the EU. Then DC turned round and announced the EU referendum.

GhostofFrankGrimes so what currency do
You propose this new Scotland use?

Amazes me how the Uk leaving the EU is deemed impossible but Scotland leaving the UK is simple...

But the people have spoken to remain the the U.K.? Or shall we just keep having votes at massive public expense and suffer the social instability until we get the results you want?

Amazes me how the Uk leaving the EU is deemed impossible but Scotland leaving the UK is simple...

Nobody said it would be simple (well, Brexit was supposed to be..). Choice is staying shackled to Brexit England and face the projected negative economic consequences that entails or join a progressive forward looking union (the biggest and most prosperous in the world) of 27 nations.

I think that the Scots have been put in a rubbish position when they clearly don’t want to exit the EU.
However if they want to leave the UK and remain in the EU they will have a fight on their hands from Spain, Belgium and France.