To be shocked that Mn has been branded a “hotbed of transphobia”

[Badmoonsarising]

BY Vice msgazine no less!

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

And so it begins!

It's perfectly correct in stating that the Feminism board is heavily geared towards threads focused on trans issues.

Lol, so broad it’s meaningless!!! It’s broad because transphobia is broad. So people finding it difficult to see what is and is not transphobia does not make it meaningless.

Any time a woman wants to protect single sex bathrooms, sports, refuges or prisons she is being an outrageous and vile transphobe isn’t it.

Yabu, it puts me off looking on the feminism board. There are so many important feminist issues that could be being discussed but most of the threads there discuss trans issues and most of them are transphobic. It makes me think feminism has lost its way.

Women talking to women about women and not centering male people is always going to meet with disapproval by some.

Just because some of those people want to enforce gender roles isn't going to stop that.

Nothing new really, they've just found a brand new word for it.

Just saying that women don't have penises is now transphobic. Used to be just basic biology

Canadians have indeed drunk the kool-aid. Legislation forces us to utter made-up words and deny basic biological facts. All to please the most minute percentage of the population.

Just because TRAs don't like facts, and want women to get into their boxes and shut up, and not to have an opinion. I have never seen transphobia on here, only a concern about women and girls rights and safety being compromised by the GRA. After all you cannot change your sex, that is a fact, a man who has become a woman, is a transwoman, just as a woman who has become a man, is a transman. How is that hatred . People can be who they want, on an individual level, but on a wider level women's rights and voices are being eroded by the bullying and aggressive TRAs. I saw a documentary about Transkids recently, and there was a discussion about the concerns about children being trans so young, it in a hall, the TRAs were trying to stop it, and shouting people down, it just confirmed how nasty and bullying they were, that an open debate was not allowed.

beachysandy81. You could start a thread or two.

I very much agree with the article

I feel disgusted that all trans people get painted with the same negative brush. Mumsnet act like they are a serious threat to womens spaces when there is no way you can make that assumption. Arent assumptions the main cause foe why we have issues such as racism, sexism and homophobia???

Given that Women's Place, whose main campaign is to keep the law as it is with regards to the GRA, has been branded a 'transphobic hate group' I'm not surprised that Vice say that MN is a 'hotbed of transphobia'.

If it's transphobic to say that men cant be women and that women don't have penises, then hey, I'm a transphobe.

I think it very much depends on your definition of 'transphobia'. I see things the trans activists probably would deem transphobic (such as questioning the TWAW mantra) but I don't happen to agree that stating biological facts constitutes any kind of hate speech. There are trans posters on the feminism boards who certainly don't seem to think MN is transphobic.

I agree fervently that children, whether in agreement with their parents or not, should not be able to make life changing decisions that will lead to them becoming infertile and unable to have a fulfilling sex life as adults.

I agree that rapists should not be put into prisons where they have access to vulnerable people.

I believe that womens' sport should not include males, especially where there have been incidents of severe bodily injuries caused by said males, which in all likelihood would not have happened between female competitors.

I believe categorising behaviours and clothing as "girl" and "boy" is neither radical, modern, or liberating.

Apparently that makes me transphobic these days.

If your feminism isn’t putting men first, is it even feminism?

I don't think it is transphobic for someone to not want their teenage guide to share a tent with a male born person without knowledge or consent.
I don't think it is transphobic for a female athlete to want to not want to compete against a male born athlete, even if that athlete has taken testosterone reducing steps, as they will still have other physical advantages.
I don't think it is transphobic to say that male born prisoners should not be housed with female prisoners.

I don't think it is transphobic to say that the rights of a trans women do not 'trump' the rights of female sex women. Women have been discriminated against for centuries because of our biology not because of our feelings.

Furthermore, a woman isn't defined by what job they do, whether they wear high heels, skirts or makeup. It is not defined by having long hair, or wearing sparkly tops.

If a trans woman wants to be treated as if they are a woman then that is a good point for discussion to see where/how they can be accommodated (as was happening for years with transsexuals). But as soon as someone says they literally are a woman then they've lost me, as women are defined by biology. Anything else is Orwellian, 2+2=5.

Feminism looking at the MN forums seems to have been reduced to the one single issue of transgender. Looking in from the outside it’s not hard to see where that article is coming from.

I reject the word, because I’m not a transphobe. Phobia implies an irrational fear, and I don’t fear trans men or trans women. I just know that you can’t change your sex. Live as a man, live as a woman, do whatever the hell you want, but you cannot escape that basic biological fact. It’s stupidity of the highest order to think otherwise. Men will always be men, women will always be women.

So those of you that are transohoic and refuse to allow men to become women does that mean you dont think gender dysphoria is real? If so, then should people just suffer and accept the on going mental health issues that having gender dysphoria will bring them?

Im not shocked and I dont care. I dont see any many posts on here advocating physical violence to trans people or wanting to deny them the right to exist. Of course if questioning or disagreeing with trans ideology is "actual, literal violence" well yes, there's plenty of that.

I'm not shocked either. Feminists on Mumsnet, under the guise of being 'concerned about women', are very transphobic.

Also when will they stop going on about trans people. It got boring a long time ago, and the same bile is repeated as nauseum.

deny them the right to exist.

Uhm there have been posts in this thread saying they shouldnt exist...all the people who say "a man should stay a man" is basically saying trans shouldnt exist which is the same level of offensive as homophobic people are

@PengAly
Of course gender dysphoria exists. And that’s hard to deal with. But you can’t be a biological man and tell me you’re a biological woman just because you feel like one. You’re not. I don’t care about your feelings, I care about facts.

Women talking, saying "No" to males same old - same old tale as old as time - reaction by males.