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AIBU to think my friends fiancé is a married man?

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MysteryManchild · 07/12/2018 13:47

NC for obvious reasons.

Friend has been with her ‘fiance’ for 4 years. I’ve met him 5 times despite me and her being best friends for 15 years. She has a 2yo DD who she loves whole heartedly. Her DD and my DS are best friends, we hang out at least 5 times a week doing various activities with the babies.

So her DF travels for work constantly. Literally comes home for 1 night every 3 weeks. Sometimes he is uncontainable when he is ‘busy’ or doing very secretive stuff, because get this ....he works for the government. Apparently he can’t tell work about their relationship because she’s originally from America (lived here since she was ten, though doesn’t have a British passport), so their relationship is secret from his work and even his parents (she’s never met them). Friend buys all this because she loves him so much, but she’s lost all her other friends and family because of this so I’m all she has. Her mum has told her that she’s a fool and can’t stand to see her DGD have such a non existent father.

So a few points:

  • he is invisible on social media, has no account on anything.
  • literally home 1 weeknight every three weeks or so, sometimes more.
  • she’s never met friends or family
  • he claims to be a spy or whatever. (Not technically a spy but works for the government and can’t claim their relationship??)
  • says he gets no holiday and also works 7 days a week, every week.
  • claims to work 24 hours straight sometimes and that’s why he sometimes goes off the radar. (Wouldn’t you like, die if you never got a day off and worked this long frequently)
  • doesn’t really know anything about DD, she’s kinda on her own with her
  • apparently can’t get any time off over Christmas so she’s spending it with me and my DS. (Surely no one works Christmas Day if they work for the government? Unless.. he is a spy?)

There’s probably more but I can’t think! Happy to answer any questions!

Also to note, she won’t listen to reason and has cut EVERYONE out who questioned it so I really can’t bring this up, we are all she has, seriously.

SO! AIBU to think he’s a lying shit who probably has a wife and kids????

OP posts:
Theluckynumberthree · 08/12/2018 18:03

A good friend of mine married an ex spy.. he disclosed their relationship when it got serious. Once they were satisfied with his partner he disclosed the truth to her about his actual job.
He’s def married or has lots of relationships dotted around everywhere. If you can I would get an investigator!
Is he names of the birth certificate? As she ever seen his passport?? NI number..?

AviatorShades · 08/12/2018 18:06

An amazing number of these Mystery Men are claim to be SAS. Yeah, right!

Roussette · 08/12/2018 18:16

I think 'do a reverse image check of his photo' is the new 'cancel the cheque' Grin

Bunnyfuller · 08/12/2018 18:20

US citizenship is not a bar to high clearances. There are countries which they’re very much not keen on, but USA isn’t one of them. You have to declare any relationships and they do their thing in the background and you are not told anything. Some working patterns can be a bit mad, but it’s more like solid months without contact, then solid periods of time at home.

I worked at GCHQ many many moons ago.

MaisyPops · 08/12/2018 18:22

Roussette
Grin
I didn't even know you could do that either. It's some weird mumsnet thing to me

HowlsMovingBungalow · 08/12/2018 18:30

Reverse image checks come from OLD. If you have ever been single and using dating sites, it is a must as there are so many lying 'catfish' types out there.

And yup, there are always a few peddling the government/ spy / security services bollock. So very see through and cliche.

nyu82 · 08/12/2018 18:34

Is she actually American...she seems to be fond of fantasies...

Tryintohelp · 08/12/2018 18:47

O-kay... I've worked in highly sensitive areas of government, and have friends I know to be in other highly sensitive areas.

Addressing each point in turn:

  • Uncontactable in a meeting/day or so is possible, if your friend means she can't have a nice chat, but though your phone etc. can be locked away, there will always be a way to get an urgent message through from a partner.
  • It IS possible to be away/abroad for weeks at a time, but again there is always a way to get a message, even via a line manager, through the local embassy, etc. Sometimes we travel with burner phones/computers, but that's no excuse for going entirely off the grid. We still have communication channels. In fact my DH is part of my safety mechanism. If I don't contact him as expected then he needs to alert my line manager, it's part of the risk management. My DH isn't British either btw, in fact there are lots of international marriages in my team. Sometimes we can't tell wider family or friends where we are going, BUT DH always knows which country I am in, how to get in touch with me for check ins, and how if necessary he can get a message to me/raise the alarm in an emergency.
  • Apparently he can’t tell work about their relationship because she’s originally from America (lived here since she was ten, though doesn’t have a British passport), so their relationship is secret from his work and even his parents (she’s never met them).

Bollocks, I'm afraid. If this bloke is on any kind of secret job, or even a middling sensitive government job, he would not have got the job without something called vetting first. There are various levels of vetting, depending on the sensitivity of material you will be privy to. If his job is secret/sensitive to the extent he is suggesting, then his entire background and life is investigated. It can take months, they'll be going through his bank statements, line by line, they'll have interviewed his partner, parents, mates, old school friends etc. Even if he, for some reason, wanted to keep her secret because he was worried it would prevent his getting accepted, they would have found the evidence of her during the checks, and would have followed up. Regarding foreigners, most nationalities are not a problem, (though they get vetted too, of course). The US would not be seen as high risk.

  • he is invisible on social media, has no account on anything.
Even people in the security services have social media accounts. They just keep them locked down and are very careful about what's on there.
  • literally home 1 weeknight every three weeks or so, sometimes more.
Again, she should know vaguely where he is and have a way to contact him. And I don't know of any jobs with this kind of pattern - you're either working normal hours, or shifts, or posted abroad on a permanent basis, or making periodic visits abroad, but this pattern just seems highly unlikely.
  • she’s never met friends or family
Major red flag, there's no security reason why his partners wouldn't meet friends or family.
  • he claims to be a spy or whatever. (Not technically a spy but works for the government and can’t claim their relationship??)
BOLLOCKS (see above) If he's in middling sensitive work then he'll probably be able to name the actual department or agency he works for. If it's highly sensitive he'll say, if needed, that he works for a real government department or agency that provides cover, such as FCO, DfID, DIT. Not giving away any secrets here, btw in case anyone's concerned, this is standard knowledge.
  • says he gets no holiday and also works 7 days a week, every week.
We all get holiday, in fact holidays allowances are quite generous :-)
  • claims to work 24 hours straight sometimes and that’s why he sometimes goes off the radar.

Hmm, sometimes we can work LONG hours, maybe for a couple of weeks with little downtime, or a whole day and much of the night, but as mentioned above, we are always contactable in an emergency.

DH, a foreigner, knows what I do, though not the details. We're not allowed to talk specifics, but I can let off steam, he can support me etc.

Didn't see the question about accommodation referred to above, but certainly the government pays for my travel and subsistence expenses when I'm away with work ( a government salary wouldn't stretch far if we had to cover our own flights, that's ridiculous!!). And booking is mostly done by the travel team, if I (occasionally) have to get something myself, then it's refunded in a couple of weeks. If this is his excuse for not sharing money with his partner and child, it's utter bollocks.

Sorry, none of this adds up at all.

ChiaraRimini · 08/12/2018 18:58

Reminds me of when x DH was DV'ed.
I took a call for him on home phone from someone with an RP accent who identified himself as "Smith, from the MOD"
I was like "DH, there's a spook on the phone for you!"

Poppycat81 · 08/12/2018 19:32

It's easy to be suckered in if the guy in question is charming, generous, & attentive when he's with your friend & their DD.

I would say he's at best married, & at worst has got several other women/families dotted around the country.

Your friend won't leave until she's ready to admit the truth, & that can take a while, no matter what other people say to her or the actual evidence she is faced with.

No matter what your opinion of this situation is, (& I agree with your opinion 100%) please don't let your friend go through this alone. She will see the truth for herself eventually, & she will be very grateful for your support.

Yes, this is the voice of experience, & I really hope your friend isn't one of my ex's "women who need [his] help".

pomers · 08/12/2018 19:33

I haven’t read the whole thread yet, however is it possible to get a car registration and check with DVLA. Apologies if this has already been suggested

SummerGems · 08/12/2018 19:36

Have just read the Mary turner Thomson book.

Looking in from the outside it’s clear there were red flags to this relationship from the outset, even she says that now looking back. However, the difference between her and the woman in this story are that in turner thomson’s Case she was told that his line of work was secret and that she couldn’t speak about it, but that they knew about her, and everything they knew was to keep her and his family safe which was why he sometimes needed to disappear off radar. Whereas the woman in the OP’s story has been told that his work are not allowed to know about her it wouldn’t make sense to think that a department of spies would just accept someone’s word for the fact they were not in a relationship with anyone and that they wouldn’t do background checks into someone’s credentials. So that bit needs to be re-written......

Strawberry2017 · 08/12/2018 19:51

I am dying to know more! X

HestiaParthenos · 08/12/2018 20:15

I'd say he probably has more than one other relationship.

Wasn't there a guy who had like 16 girlfriends at the same time, and told each she was the only one?

A married man would have more time for her / would want to exploit her for sex more often.

She should probably get checked for STIs, but she probably will prefer to stay in denial.

greeneyedlulu · 08/12/2018 20:59

OMG he's married and she knows!

OP you need to get on ancestry.com and look up your friends dd's birth certificate and see if he's listed on there then trace him back. It's amazing what you can find on there with a few details but if hes on the birth certificate, then his full name (you said you didnt know how it was spelt) and date of birth will be on it so you just need to search for him there.

I honestly think this is the best place to start!

Good luck and please update..... I'm so intrigued

LottieLou90 · 08/12/2018 21:06

My opinion is he is leading a double life.

You have to take ID down to register the birth.

Either she is unbelievably naive and believes everything he says.

OR

She doesn’t believe it but she also doesn’t want to know the truth.

OR

She does know the truth and has made this all up because she’s embarrassed etc.

My DH’s friends mum worked for the MI6 and was home every weekend. She wasn’t allowed to say WHAT she did but only that she worked for them. However, she was still home every weekend. And, she had to disclose everything about her personal life.

I feel for your friend. This must be so difficult, only due to the fact that her daughter will be asking a lot of questions in a year or so.

I think you have 3 options.

1 - you talk to her upfront about this and risk losing her friendship

2 - you try to do a bit of detective work (hire a PI, search internet)

3 - put it to the back of your mind and be there as a friend for her and her DD.

This is a very difficult situation and wishing you all the best x

ILoveDolly · 08/12/2018 21:06

I feel really sorry for your friend but this fiancée is nothing more than a part time cheater.

riceuten · 08/12/2018 21:43

He's married or in a LTR with kids. There's zero doubt about this. No-one - not even MI5/6 "don't get holidays" or "work 24 hours". That's just bollocks.

MrsPinkCock · 08/12/2018 21:44

This thread is bonkers.

Augusta2012 · 08/12/2018 21:49

What on earth does ‘dv’d’ mean @chiararimini ?

The holiday thing is a lie. Every employee is entitled to holidays.

JustWhatINeededNow · 08/12/2018 21:51

Dv meant divorced I think?

Icanttakemuchmore · 08/12/2018 21:51

He's definitely leading more than a double life! Also, what sort of relationship must he and your friend have If she only sees him once in three weeks? That is not a relationship.

JustWhatINeededNow · 08/12/2018 21:52

@Tryintohelp that was fascinating. Thanks for posting. Smile

cookiecrisp11 · 08/12/2018 22:08

Omg, why don't you become your own PI and find out the truth 😏

meditrina · 08/12/2018 22:23

DVed in that context means going through the 'Developed Vetting' procedure, a high tier of security clearance.

www.gov.uk/guidance/security-vetting-and-clearance