To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable

[LaBelleSauvage]

Just that. And I think they ought to be sanctioned in some way similar to in Australia. Children shouldn't suffer because of parents' stupidity

Though after reading this thread it seems people think I should lock myself indoors so as not to spread all those diseases I must have

No Pinkyy, nobody thinks that. You don’t have the diseases and are unlikely to catch them because enough other people have been vaccinated against them. You are a kind of passenger riding on the back of other people’s choices. If everyone behaved the way of your parents, these diseases would still be prevalent. Fortunately for you, they are not.

Immunocompromised. Agree.

@ScottishMummy12
That must have been scary. I don't think anyone means your understandable decision when a child can't have the immunisations as allergic.

I don't challenge parents on their decisions but if I had new baby or was pregnant or immuno suppressed/vulnerable I want parents to tell me if their child isn't immunised and they are bringing them round mine. It's"those" parents that deliberately put others at risk without giving us choice too that annoy me. Make your own choice but don't take same away from others!

Herd immunity is important for those that can't have the immunisations, but also don't think we should be big brother enough to prevent parents from making decisions for their own child. Mine are vaccinated in everything we're offered because I believe in medical services relying on huge body of research.

I think they are incredibly selfish. And ignorant.

It's a choice parents make, rightly or wrongly and I hope they never become mandatory. My kids are mostly vaccinated but I'm definitely not 100% comfortable with the current intense vaccine schedule.

My kids are very spread out in age and the difference in the amount given between oldest and youngest is shocking.

I can't help thinking that in the future the long term effects of over vaccination will come out and cause problems

Spectacularly selfish and beyond ignorant.

I think what is worse is the startling hypocrisy is the smug knowledge that their kid gains the benefit from others who did immunise.

I must admit the irony of a non-vaxxer saying “stay in your lane” made me roll my eyes in amused despair. You have made a choice that could affect other people...

Scottishmummy - nobody think those that can’t vaccinate for medical reasons are selfish. But it’s even more important that those that can, do to prevent the spread of communicable diseases to the immunocompressed.

Yadnbu

People who don't vaccinate are putting so so many people at risk. Their own children, other people's children, elderly people etc.
Like this article www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45990874 says "People who spread these myths, when children die they will not be there to pick up the pieces or the blame". They don't care that their actions caused the death of someone else's child as it doesn't directly affect them. It makes me feel sick tbh.

And thestoic that is just awful, I don't understand how anyone could say that about a child . Surely a living child is better than a dead one!

Goady, much. FFS.

What’s more, these same parents definitely use all itherbscientific advances to their fullest. You would see them using the best smartphones, the best cars and home appliances and of course the aeroplanes. I think I agree with one of the comments above. They know that herd immunity goes In their favour. They can afford to be selfish. Morons.

You are a kind of passenger riding on the back of other people’s choices

This thread is making me feel physically sick. Saying my parents are disgusting and ignorant for not vaccinating me and even that I shouldn't have been allowed to attend a public school. I can just imagine you all forcing your DC to stay away from me as a child because I was obviously riddled with deadly diseases. I've never even so much as had chicken pox but I'm obviously just walking around breathing in your 'clean' air aren't I.

I work in a nursery. Lots of our younger children have been off with a cough, high temp and chest infections.... about two weeks after the school children received nasal flu spray vaccinations. You hear about virus shedding from such vaccinations and watching these kind of patterns makes me believe it could be happening. First time I ever caught flu was the first year I worked at the nursery so surrounded by children having this vaccination (we do breakfast and after school care too so lots of school children in every day).

So could there be an argument that these vaccinations are actually causing illness in others? Not sure if any research into it as haven’t looked.

I'm obviously just walking around breathing in your 'clean' air aren't I

Pretty much yes. In a class of 20 if 19 have vaccinations and one doesn’t, the one who doesn’t still benefits from the herd immunity. The herd immunity is the whole point.

@pinkyyy well unless there was a medical reason for your parents not vaccinating you then I'm afraid they were being incredibly selfish.
You're lucky not to have been seriously ill but much of that is because other people did vaccinate their children. You've benefited hugely from herd immunity.

‘Goady’ is such a misused word on here. A lot of the time it just means the person using it doesn’t like hearing uncomfortable truths.

All those who choose not to vaccinate are selfish anti-social fools. There, that’s the least goady thing that will be said on MN today.

.I've never even so much as had chicken pox but I'm obviously just walking around breathing in your 'clean' air aren't pinkyyy

You are spectacularly missing the point here - herd immunity is protecting you from diseases!!! By not participating in vaccinations you are not contributing but taking the benefits of it. Reducing the overall herd immunity you are relying on.

Immunocompromised. It's not a personal choice issue. You choose not to vaccinate you are choosing to put me at risk. You don't know me so how dare you.

I vaccinate and am happy to do so.
I understand some who don’t. GSK didn’t keep good records and ,missed’ cases of narcolepsy linked to a vaccine (pandemix). No drug nor vaccine is without any side effects. If I had been affected or my child I might take a different viewpoint.

@tumbleweed but better they just have sniffles rather than full blown flu though yeah? Plus this time year it is common for people to catch colds ....that's just common sense 🙄

Being exposed to people who had the flu vaccine categorically did not cause you to get flu.

pinky
I am sorry that you are feeling this way. It is not your fault at all. However, scientifically, you really are breathing in the fresh air created by herd immunity. Have you vaccinated your children? It will be great if you read about all of this before you decide. There is extensive scientific research to support vaccination. You are not a problem or anything. But if you don’t go and vaccinate your children, you are creating potentially life-threatening problems for others and that is your responsibility.

I actually find it ridiculous that you're all walking around thinking you're protected from the world and all its diseases. My parents weren't in the least bit selfish. If you're vaccinated then what business is it of yours who is and who isn't? I'm not 'relying on the immunity of the herd', if your vaccinations don't protect you from all those diseases I'm riddled with then they're quite clearly not having the desired effect

Did anyone see the debate on GMB last week? 🤣 crazy shouty anti vax woman...

I shared a post on social media last night that had been written by a nurse, basically saying people have a right not to if they don’t want but then please don’t bring to the hospital when they are ill. I kind of agree, if you think doctors and nurses are into injecting kids with crap to make money for pharmaceutical companies then I think you need your head checking! How insulting for those people who work so hard to help people.

I've never even so much as had chicken pox but I'm obviously just walking around breathing in your 'clean' air aren't I.

I think it's about giving others the choice and information that your parents had to not immunize (if they did) @Pinkyyy, I.e. Pinkyyy's not had vaccines, when you are invited round someone's house That doesn't give huge details and other people can then decide if its a risk with knowledge of likely far more detailed medical info (early pregnancy/ immuno suppressed etc)
Can't do much about nursery or school contact but you'd hope if child had temperature or was showing signs of being unwell they'd be kept home (yes I know can be contagious at start before symptoms, it's not 100%). People seem to be less conscientious about not sending child to playdate when have signs of being ill.

I actually find it ridiculous that you're all walking around thinking you're protected from the world and all its diseases. My parents weren't in the least bit selfish. If you're vaccinated then what business is it of yours who is and who isn't? I'm not 'relying on the immunity of the herd', if your vaccinations don't protect you from all those diseases I'm riddled with then they're quite clearly not having the desired effect

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www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3596

The British Medical Journal article I've linked to reports that there have been 40,000+ cases of measles in Europe in the first 6 months of 2018, and 37 deaths.

All unnecessary.

Pinkyyy I'd go and see your GP and get vaccinated now, if I were you. These diseases are coming back. They are painful, disabling, sterilising, fatal. That is why people worked so hard to find effective vaccines in the first place.

If you're vaccinated then what business is it of yours who is and who isn't?

Read up on how herd immunity works, and you’ll be embarrassed you asked that question. But I’m guessing you have no interest in informing yourself.