To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable

[LaBelleSauvage]

Just that. And I think they ought to be sanctioned in some way similar to in Australia. Children shouldn't suffer because of parents' stupidity

How the fuck is this goady? It’s TRUE.

Anti-vaxxers are complete moron. There is no ifs or buts. Moron is actually a compliment when I speak about these people. Your pot of herbal pixie dust won’t protect your kid from meningitis or whooping cough. Herd immunity works and if (a huge, big fat if) vaccines caused ASD/some other defect anti-vaxxers like to add, would you rather a kid with ASD or a dead one? Because these diseases kill every single day.

Yes I’m passionate about this. My oldest has JA, he’s been hospitalised because of the fucking flu. He has no immense system, no choice in this matter. It pisses me off.

*morons

My kids aren’t fully vaccinated
I’m happy with the choices I made, be happy with yours and ideally stay in your lane

I think anti vaxers are abhorrent, self absorbed, misinformed, neglectful parents who have no idea what it's actually like to watch your child fight for their life. The rate of infant mortality used to be incredibly high and you would think we'd be killing each other to get hold of these vaccines that prevent horrible diseases with often long term complications.

YANBU. I am Australian and I'm very happy with our system. There has been a significant uptake in the number of children being vaccinated since the financial/educational sanctions were brought in.

@RonaldMcDonald

Ironic given that by not fully vaccinating you are indeed not staying within your lane because you are wilfully putting the health of other people at risk. Your decisions are affecting the lives of other people so don't spout crap about it being a personal decision for you, there is nothing acceptable about agreeing to manslaughter which is effectively what you could be doing if you expose an immunocompromised to an infectious disease which may kill them. If you want to truly live "within in your lane" because of your (wrong) beliefs then fuck right off to a place where you won't ever be in contact with other people who's lives will be at risk because of your selfish opinions.

I don’t think that following the nhs vaccination schedule blindly is right either. I think that you need to find the balance between doing what you believe to be right for your child and right for society and the greater good.
Having parented over 20 years- it’s scary just how many vaccinations there are now in the standard schedule compared to back then.
Personally I spaced out the vaccinations that we did spread out the vaccines we agreed our child would get, and we did not give them all to all kids- depending on their health, eg propensity for febrile convulsions etc.
I’m happy with the balance we have, and even when I was immunocompromised myself I was happy with the decisions I made for vaccines etc.

My kids are all vaccinated.

Do you really want to force parents to vaccinate their kids? All the current vaccines are safe but do you really trust the pharmaceutical companies and government enough to give them the power to insist all kids are injected with any other vaccines that come on the market? Parents need to have the final veto on all unnecessary medical treatments.

Not vaccinating your child is not the same as them being obese or having rotten teeth. Those issues are caused by parent/child and effect only them. By not vaccinating your child you are impacting other people’s children and that is horrendously selfish. A colleagues daughter was left deaf by measles recently, some child at nursery was not vaccinated and came for a play date with her older child resulting in a 6 week old baby with measles. I personally feel the other parents should be charged with assault or reckless endangerment of some kind, if they chose to drive tired and caused a crash that resulted in permanent injury they would be punished!

But children aren't contagious unless they are sick.

Oh this is such nonsense! Children (and adults) can appear perfectly well and spread all kinds of infections and germs around before becoming unwell. I teach a reception class and a few years ago in one day 14 children from my class went home with a D&V bug - all had come in perfectly well and happy, by lunch time it was like a hospital with bowls of vomit all over the place. I've never got through so much dettol in my life.

Anyone kidding themselves that refusing to vaccinate DC is anything but a selfish act (obviously excepting those with medical requirements) needs to spend some time with people who've lost family members to various communicable diseases. Close friends of ours had their newborn contract whooping cough from an unvaccinated child at their playgroup, whose Mum gleefully announced that "he'll recover in a few days". 7 years later that newborn is a little boy who'll suffer complications for the rest of his life. I find it odd that anti-vaxxers don't actually acknowledge the risks they're putting so many lives at.

Also, I'm certain that I read recently that in an area of Wales there's been a spike in confirmed cases of Measles because of a 'batch' of parents at one point several years ago refusing to vaccinate their DC, and in America hasn't there recently been a huge resurgence of diseases that were formerly pretty much eradicated because of the anti-vax movement over there?

When there's research and empirical evidence to suggest that vaccinating children increases their odds of living long, healthy lives, it's odd to think that parents still knowingly reject that.

Totally agree OP

Totally agree OP. YANBU-parents have no right to out their children AND other people at risk of death and life-changing problems.

Unfortunately Ronald, by not vaccinating you are not staying in your lane yourself. You are aiding the spread of life threatening illnesses.

Most people including non vaxers and vaxers are trying to make the best choices for their kids based on the information they have. So despicable isn’t a word I’d use

Agreed. I don't think banning unvaccinated children from nurseries, school etc would help though as a lot of antivaxxers home educate anyway (at least the ones I know).

I don't think "trying to make the best choice" cuts it when they are placing their children AND other people's children at real risk of.terrible harm and death. It is beyond arrogant to ignore all of the objecticve evidence.

Mmmm try telling that to someone whose child IS vaccine damaged (and is trying to get compensation!)

Or speak to one of the parents of bed bound children who received the HPV vaccine and are told it’s a coincidence

I do vaccinate but like a poster above I space them out and don’t get them all (including annual flu vaccine),

It’s generally accepted that over vaccinated animals are weaker and more suspectible to allergies and illness. There is currently a real rethink with animals about what is essential.

Yet we remain unclear as to why our own children are increasingly sick through the same illnesses? I have no doubt over vaccination is one factor.

People who make such sweeping statements as you have generally don’t have very questioning minds and listen to “expert opinion” without a second doubt. Trouble is, what if that changes?

Have to emphasise nobody is criticising those whose children can't get a particular vaccination on medical grounds. But yes, it's selfish otherwise not to get your children immunised. Antivaxxers might come to a different conclusion if herd immunity dropped so low that the chance of an unvaccinated child catching one of these horrible diseases was higher. As it is they mostly escape them because most people do vaccinate.

Their own children, I mean. Pretty clear they don't care much about other people.

My daughter was not vaccinated and she is a healthy happy 11 year old, the only thing she has caught of anybody is nits and that was once.

I think calling a parent who had made a conscious decision not to vaccinate their child despicable is deplorable, it is not an easy decision to make.

Any parent who did not vaccinate did not do so on a whim it was after a lot of research, discussions and consideration and taking the plunge knowing what could happen and then having to deal with your decision every day.

Sadly my cousin lost her 4 year old son to a horrible muscle cancer which was brought on to a metal compound that was found in the vaccine given to him when he was a baby. And yes it was medically proven that it was the compound found in the vaccine which brought on the cancer.

Instead of vilifying these parents consider that the decision is never easy. Not everybody agrees with how individual parents raise their children but it is their decision on how they do so.

goady post but
unvaccinated children (without a solid medical reason to do so!) shoul be

• not allowed into state nurseries and schools
• not allowed int gp waitingroomd

to protect the children and adults who are either too young or have medical reasons to not be vaccibated.

Yet we remain unclear as to why our own children are increasingly sick through the same illnesses?
Are they really? I can think of four parents who didn't have their kids vaccinated (all middle class, university educated) and their kids are forever ill. One has just been at home three weeks with whooping cough, was really bad, lost a lot of weight. The vaccinated kids do get infectious diseases of courses, but things like nasty colds, conjunctivitis etc. Not weeks at home bedridden!

Beaverhausen, do you accept that the reason your child has not had measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, polio, diphtheria, meningitis or TB is because most parents do vaccinate and these diseases are far less prevalent as a result?

YANBU

Anti vaxers can only exist because the vast majority of people are immunised.