To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable

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Just that. And I think they ought to be sanctioned in some way similar to in Australia. Children shouldn't suffer because of parents' stupidity

Carpetglasssofa thank you for your concern, but that's not a possibility for me. I'm just astounded at the ignorance on this thread with people walking around like they're these pure beings and saying that I'm effectively a deadly virus and must announce myself before stepping foot in any social situation

Where I am from you can't get child into state nursery if not vaccinated. And majority of private ones are not taking them on either. Plus there are mandatory ones, so you have to go through court to be allowed not to vaccinate.
It should be like this everywhere. I have never met anyone from there who had measles or such...

If you had seen a child in front of your own eyes react so badly to a vaccination that they would never be the same again then would you vaccinate any future children? I wouldn't and I have seen a relative clearly change from a vivacious clever toddler into nothing.

I'm not 'relying on the immunity of the herd', if your vaccinations don't protect you from all those diseases I'm riddled with then they're quite clearly not having the desired effect

Um.....🙄

@sosmooth I and many other are allergic to certain medicines and we can die if we take it, yet we are not going around claiming it's evil andpeople shouldn't use it.
You can have bed reaction to paracetamol fgs.

*bad

For all the anti vaxxers on this thread, and all those not vaccinated themselves and don't see a problem, antibiotics cause hundreds of thousands of reactions every year, even fatal ones. As do painkillers. Who here doesn't 'believe' in the effectiveness of analgesia? Or antibiotics? Hmmm. I'm guessing no one. First World privilege at its finest. If you are able, vaccinate your goddamn children, and yourselves.

@Ironytheoppositeofwrinkly AMEN!

sosmooth I'm sorry for what happened to your relatives child. I saw a friends child die in minutes from a peanut allergy, undiagnosed, at 7 months old. I still gave my child peanuts. It's the same logic, except peanuts have no medical benefit. Vaccinations do.

I think nurseries and schools should be able to ask questions on who has or hasn't been vaccinated and why and then make informed decisions to exclude children who haven't been vaccinated (through choice rather than medical reasons) against dangerous diseases if there is an immune compromised child in the class. Your decision to not vaccinate because someone on YouTube said it's poisoning your child with mercury does not trump someone else's right not to die from an easily prevented disease. This would effectively exclude anti vaxers from nurseries due to contact with under 1's. I think it's disgusting that a kid with measles can be in the same building as a large number of infants and no one is allowed to know if it's a possibility. I feel like keeping my baby inside til the 13 month vaccinations especially as there is a measles outbreak where I live

There are lots of myths and half truths. For example there is mercury in vaccines but it's a different type of mercury than is poisonous to humans - it's a different compound that has no bad effects on humans in those doses. Yes there is formaldehyde but it's less than what naturally passes through your body naturally daily and any excess is naturally excreted in urine.

Yes over vaccinated animals are 'weaker' as one poster said but they are routinely given preventative anti biotics which is not the same

oftenhangry I genuinely don't see why it's only vaccinations that are demonised this way. I nearly died from a reaction to liquid buscopan administered in hospital by a consultant. That's not Big Pharma trying to kill me. Some people will have reactions, some won't, that's the risk with ALL medicines.

With more and more freedom of movement from countries where they are not fortunate enough to be guaranteed the opportunity for vaccination; relying on herd immunity will be a thing of the past soon, and makes them more important than ever. It’s unfair on those who for medical reasons can’t have the jabs and rely on those who can to take advantage of having access to them. I am pro choice for things, but something like this affects everyone so isn’t just a personal choice. The child is also too young to make the decision for themselves, but will be the one to suffer.

@Ironytheoppositeofwrinkly exactly. And not just medicines. Food, household products, cosmetics. There were cases of women losing hair or even dying after reaction to hairdye.
And lets not start on alcohol, which is an actual poison, but even anti vaxxers drink it.

It's so incredibly thick to not vaccinate...it's almost laughable.

'Well I haven't vaccinated and my child hasn't got polio, measles, diptheria, tb, whooping cough'.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock...it's because all the other kids have been vaccinated.

Imagine if there was suddenly an outbreak of diptheria in the UK...the anti vaxxers would be banging on the door of their doctors surgery to get their kids vaccinated then!

@pinkyyy what were your parents reasons for not vaccinating? And if you're so sure you're not relying on herd immunity ( which you are by the way, you can't just opt out of that one) what is protecting you?

oftenhangry indeed. And I supposed smallpox just got up and fucked off to the far side of fuck because it felt like it too. God, this subject angers me, I shouldn't have come onto the thread 🙄😁

I think those who don’t vaccinate are abhorrent. It’s totally different to those who can’t vaccinate. As a society we have a duty to vaccinate our children to protect those children who can’t be vaccinated and any of us who think that by googling we know better than the thousands of independent studies proving the safety of vaccines need to get a grip.

BlaaBlaaBlaa I'm not relying on it. Yes, it is having an effect on me but that's not through my choice. I don't feel the need to be 'protected' and I also don't think my parents reasoning needs to be said

No one who is against vaccines is going to vaccinate just to add to the herd immunity when it goes against what they believe in. As I said earlier I'm uncomfortable about the amount and intensity of the schedule and had I decided not to give my children the jabs herd immunity wouldn't have been a factor in my decision.

Parents are always going to do what they believe is best for their children, that doesn't make them selfish

@Ironytheoppositeofwrinkly yup. Polio could be next, but with vaccination rates dropping, it might not happen...

I actually remember being vaccinated at school against TB. They came, did the test and later came again and vaccinated us. It also saved parents taking time off work to take kids for jabs.

I think the problem is that we as a generation of parents weren't alive when these illnesses were prevalent so we take it for granted that they don't exist anymore.

My father told me he would return to school after a school holiday and it was normal that another child wouldn't return because they'd died of measles

@pinkyyy eh? That make no sense. How are you not relying on it? Unless you live in an airtight box and have zero contact with people you benefit hugely from herd immunity whether you like it or not.
Why would you have an issue with that?

I'm interested in the foreign travel question too.
Do parents of unvaccinated children accept that their offspring will consent to a catch up programme when they want to go on a gap year or will they encourage them to refuse?
What about a mandatory vaccine like Yellow Fever?

Yes I agree it is very selfish. MIL insisted the MMR caused autism when I had DD. I still went for the injections with both of mine. Her DD my SIL had a child 2years older at the time, she didn't get him or his brother the MMR they are both on the Autistic spectrum.

BlaaBlaaBlaa as I said yes it may well have an effect on me, but I don't rely on it. I don't walk about thinking to myself "thank god all these vaccinated people are protecting me".