can't afford to prep for brexit

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wrong board but the preppers will probably flame me, as you will might for mentioning it on here .
i was wondering if things goes toes up and there are food shortages, what happens with people who can't afford to -hoard- store up goods i.e the elderly and people on very tight budgets already living hand to mouth relying on food banks ?
any thoughts ?

Alfie Because there will be no deal allowing them to trade. So we're on WTO trading terms do prices with rocket. Then there will be all the customs checks which we have no idea how they're going to process. Then no lorries will be leaving the U.K. they don't have the necessary licences to drive in the U.K. and they'll have to go through customs in the EU, so there will be fewer lorries to make the return journey into the U.K.

It is not difficult to find this information out!!

Why are people sticking up on bottled water?Wine I can understand but water?

Not enough food surferjet.
Not enough.
So much of our land that could have been used for this is now gone, never to return.
The gardens have massively shrunk also so people aren’t really able to grow too much themselves.
Allotments few and far between.

So many people have no understanding of the upcoming food crisis at all, thinking ‘not to worry, we’ll just grow our own’..

I have witnessed people in the supermarket demanding to know why there are no British tomatoes!
Um, because they don’t grow in November!!
We rely on overseas for so much

There will be disruption. The disruption will be caused by people stockpiling.

Just like when we have a sprinkling of snow and people like to buy 18 loaves and 24 pints of milk.
The snow didn't cause it. The dramatic people did.

home it was the mid '70's not the '60s, either read it probably or fuck off with the stupid comments.

Gosh, how rude, just because people don’t have the same opinion as you Maybe this thread should have been in Chat or IANBU so you get the replies you want

There was a minister talking about this the other day. They were saying that they would have to priority what comes in first like Medical supplies etc.

They have appointed ministers for this so I think it will be a problem I’m just not sure on what scale.

I don’t see the problem with me picking up an extra bag of pasta or an extra jar of sauce is going to effect anyone at the moment.

I think the problem will be when there is a no deal and the next day everyone goes out and stock piles all together.

I’m a remainer, and I don’t think there will be drastic food shortages as a result of a no-deal Brexit. I do, however, think that the media will whip people into a frenzy during March 2019 if it looks like a no deal situation, and idiots will start panic buying.

Therefore, I’ve been adding a couple of extra bits - maybe a pack of meat, packet of pasta, bag of frozen veg or a few tins - to the weekly shop each time I do it. Over the past few months we’ve managed to build up our supplies and we’re now in a position to avoid the supermarket altogether for a few weeks if people start losing their heads about it, which to be honest is probably sensible to have in any event.

I do think Brexit will fuck the country over the course of the next 20 years but it’ll be a chronic decline rather than the acute short term issues people are predicting.

@Alfie190, the reason that imports (from everywhere) will stop is if we haven’t worked out the practicalities of getting them in with the new customs deals and we haven’t got enough staff sorting it out. Which seems likely at the moment. So I do think some shortages are inevitable.

I’m not necessarily a rabid remainer,
But I am absolutely disgusted that this was put to the vote without the alternative being properly scoped. And look at us now. Another fine mess.

I suspect that the people who advocate a nation wide diet thanks to food shortages are the ones who have money.
Those who know they will be able to afford an increase of 50 or 100% of the food.
Those who aren’t struggling atm with buying food or go to food banks.

Because I can promise you that u, if you already rely on food banks, you’ll be deadly scared of the idea of nation wide food shortages (which wouod mean people wouldn’t GIVE to food banks for example ...)

Well said Alfie190

Honestly OP!

Has the government given any advice / recommendations?

Ariadne Yes!!! Shit loads of documents on what will happen if there is no deal

Dint guveamonkey is that the same minister who said that some people could DIE because of Brexit and medicine shortages??

If the U.K. can’t bring enough medicines to say 100% expletive will still get the life saving medications they need, there is no chance in hell they will be able to ensure food will circulate freely either.

Wise words from Xenia too

*Ariadne
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www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

@aridane. No - because they are too busy jockying for position and getting more powerful!

Alfie190

I honestly cannot fathom why you would think imports would come to a halt. They won't. The UK government is not going to stop import of food and food producers based in other countries are not going to refuse to sell to the UK, why would they?

It isn't about other countries not selling to you. It's about customs delays, and hauliers not wanting to spend days queuing, with their loads rotting.

Most other countries in the EU have made more preparations for Brexit than Britain.

For me, the British attitude was summed up by a vox pop from Port Talbot - a 'no deal' will cause havoc to employment there, but it voted 70% Leave. One cheery chappy who was interviewed kept smiling and saying "I'm not worried. Someone a lot cleverer than me is going to strike a great deal, you wait and see, someone clever will get them to give us a good deal, someone clever is working on that deal right now".

Blind optimism based on absolutely nothing concrete.

I honestly can’t remember who said it. It just stuck with me. I’m dairy free wheat free and many other organs with my body that food effects. The list of food I can eat can be counted on less than two hands.

At the point a no deal is ever announced I will be stock piling my food. As I cant just open a jar of pasta.

If they have to priorize food. Don’t think wheat free etc would be high on there list

And the world has moved on since the 1960s...

Home, I did not exist at any point during the 1960s so there is no nostalgia intended.

The post you appear to be mocking was in direct response to one that said that the UK's wealth could arguably be based upon EU membership. I was merely pointing out, that according to statistics, this is not the case. The UK has always been an affluent country.

@Juells

Lets come back in March. There wont be a starvation issue in the UK, as much as you are hoping there will be.

To those claiming there won't be a problem what are you basing that on?

Because having seen several WEEKS of empty shelves here last winter due to the beast from the east, and knowing people who work in retail supply chains and border control - who are stocking up themselves! I think it's a very real possibility.

"Just like when we have a sprinkling of snow and people like to buy 18 loaves and 24 pints of milk." We had almost 3 FEET of snow here, I'm on a main road - took 2 days for even a snow plough to get through. Local supermarkets deliveries simply weren't getting through. They applied limits to what folk could by and there were still shortages.

There's ALREADY families going without food due to poverty, so even if "all" that happens is price rises - that buggers the likes of me who are just about getting by right now!

And food isn't the most worrying aspect - I'm on medications that are dangerous to stop suddenly but GP's aren't yet being given the go ahead to prescribe larger amounts to let people stock up (if they ever will) - but I'm sure TM has plenty of insulin 🤔

I'm trying to get a little extra weekly (as much in case of more bad weather as brexit) but in addition to little spare money I've not much space either!

"nothings going to happen if it's more expensive to buy an Audi. Worst comes to worst people will have to skip the avocados in favour of more local seasonal produce and buy what's necessary rather than what they want" wow! There's a comment from an ivory tower - what about people like me who are ALREADY just managing to get the basics? Milk, bread, pasta...

"we managed rationing for many years." That was planned for more in advance than is currently happening AND happened at a time where we were producing more of our own food. Experts in the field have pointed out its been left too late to do this for brexit.

"Op: plenty of food is produced in this country so please don’t worry.
I’ve been buying mostly British for years to support our farmers & fruit growers." And how much does that cost per week? Per adult?

Mybrexitisill - pointless arguing with Xenia that's a fairly typical anti poor people post from them.

"Why are people sticking up on bottled water?Wine I can understand but water?" Who's your water company? Who REALLY owns it - cos it's rarely British companies now. It's usually European.

"I think the problem will be when there is a no deal and the next day everyone goes out and stock piles all together." And it'll be those who said there was no need doing this!

"I suspect that the people who advocate a nation wide diet thanks to food shortages are the ones who have money.
Those who know they will be able to afford an increase of 50 or 100% of the food." Exactly!

There's a high likelihood prices will rise as businesses will have to pass on higher costs of implementing new local UK rules and a negative impact to the pound. I expect we would only be looking at short term disruption. For people who can't afford to stock up, that would be very tough indeed but I expect the Brexit supporters should be out in force topping up foodbanks if that happened! That would be the right thing to do since they caused this!

Personally i doubt there will be a lot of disruption to food supplies but I will top up on tins and packets.

I expect the impact to be felt more ovwr longer term for those just-about-managing or not managing, if prices stay high, our economy struggles due to lack of investment, and GBP doesn't recover.

"if you look at some historical GDP tables, you would see that the UK was one of the richest countries in the world long before we joined the EU."

Yes, but if we hadn't joined when we did, it's likely we'd be poorer, especially as more other countries joined and we would have been left out.

And if you look at the GDP tables today you will see we are already sliding down the tables

In 1970 (shortly before the UK joined the EU), the UK was 5th in terms of overall GDP (behind France and Germany) but only 15th in terms of GDP per capita - having dropped from second in both categories in 1960.

It was one of the reasons that we begged asked to join the EEC (as it was then) - because it was achieving its objectives better than the UK's alternative EFTA.