can't afford to prep for brexit

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wrong board but the preppers will probably flame me, as you will might for mentioning it on here .
i was wondering if things goes toes up and there are food shortages, what happens with people who can't afford to -hoard- store up goods i.e the elderly and people on very tight budgets already living hand to mouth relying on food banks ?
any thoughts ?

omg, paying more for carers? As if social services & social care weren't stretched to breaking point already.

Verbeena - people are already dying as a result of austerity measures I don't think it's an exaggeration or unrealistic to think deaths will occur as a result of brexit - which is set currently to coincide with UC rollout in several places - too.

Allmycats - as has already been pointed out several times on this thread alone a lot has changed since 1973! Thatcherism which decimated our manufacturing base for a start. We have nowhere near the same level of farming production. We have a much larger population and produce much less food & other essentials like medication ourselves we are far from self sufficient. In addition the various laws around transport and production of food, on border controls etc have also changed a great deal, it's not a case of just going back to how things were in 1972, that's not possible.

"Of all the Brexit arguments ‘we were fine before the EU’ has to be the most ridiculous. The world has changed." Exactly! Naive at best ignorant and dangerous at worst.

It was said as fact "people are going to die" - ridiculous scare mongering. Nobody knows that, so shouldn't be stating as fact, like trying to whip people up into some kind of mass hysteria.

I am taking on board remarks relating to the very many changes since the 1970's and appreciate other people's input. BUT, particularly Graphista , just above 'Of all the Brexit arguments 'we were fine before the EU' has to be the most ridiculous' where did I say that I was a Brexit supporter ( I said that I was a remainer).
Perhaps some of my thoughts are naïve but I truly do not believe that we are going to be in a 'dooms day' scenario as some people are trying to suggest. What I do believe is that there will be many changes, and, for some time there will be difficult situations and shortages of some items, but there will not be a famine and we won't die. I do, truly believe that there will be a hike in prices due to shortages of goods and labour. I was talking with a firm leaver last week and trying to explain why prices will increase and they just did not get it. I said that if a cauliflower costs £1 today, with migrant labour picking it for minimum wage was replaced by a non-migrant worker being paid the same amount that prices would be the same and they said that no one they knew would work for minimum wage, so we would HAVE TO pay more, OK then - so we pay them £10 an hour, but some one has to drive to distribute those items and they used to be paid say £13 an hour - more than minimum to distinguish their skills etc. This driver/distributor would, if the picker was being paid £10 an hour have his rate upped to say £15 an hour to maintain his differential. The cauliflower is now going to cost us £3.50. They said I was talking a load of bollocks as everyone knows a cauliflower
can't cost £3.50. How better could I have explained this ?

I, for one, as a regular poster on prepper threads, do not say people are going to die. That just frightens people or puts them off or stops you taking them seriously.
I urge people to look to putting in a buffer of food at home in case things get tricky. Or in case there are delays at supermarkets.
It's the sensible thing to do however you voted.
It's not a political act to build some resilience into your food stores at home. Anyone who does a weekly shop is kind of doing it anyway. Anyone who is anticipating some snow disruption does it anyway.
Take the pressure off yourself with all this horrible uncertainty.

I think its pretty much a certainty that food prices will increase. Which will actually be a reversion to previous times when the percentage of household income spent on food was much higher.

Many people will find that difficult because they've been used to very low prices and thus having money to spend on other things. For others who are already struggling it could be a step too far.

"for some time there will be difficult situations and shortages of some items, but there will not be a famine and we won't die. I do, truly believe that there will be a hike in prices due to shortages of goods and labour"

For MANY there's already difficult situations, homelessness, hunger, unable to access healthcare...

If you think that isn't leading to deaths you're incredibly ignorant/naive. Just today there's been a report released DIRECTLY linking UC to increased suicides (and the tories did their damndest to stop that information getting out!).

That hike in prices will for many MORE mean being unable to eat.

So yes, I firmly believe it is fact! And that's not even taking into consideration those who will die due to being unable to get life saving medication.

"For others who are already struggling it could be a step too far." Exactly - it will be the final straw.

Bellini - I get what you're saying about not liking saying it will likely lead to an increase of deaths - from suicide, malnutrition (which makes people more vulnerable to ill health) & health conditions reliant on certain meds which won't be getting through (though why the govt is preventing people from sticking up on these where safe and possible to do so I really don't know). But maybe saying it & getting those who think it's all going to be fine & dandy and fairies are going to drop food & meds from the sky, will get them to actually stop and think how this is going to affect those that are barely managing now, who are already relying on food banks and other charities, who won't have the means to get what they need by paying inflated prices, on the black market or by travelling.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/18/jeremy-corbyn-second-referendum-not-an-option-for-today

“We couldn’t stop it because we don’t have the votes in parliament to do so.

“There was a referendum in 2016, a majority voted to leave the EU, there are many reasons why people voted. I don’t think you call a referendum and then say you don’t like the result and go away from it. You’ve got to understand why people voted and negotiate the best deal you can."

@Graphista - the logical consequence of food supply problems is that the most vulnerable struggle more than the every day struggle we will all face. People are more concerned with themselves than others less well placed (all relative terms). To my mind, the best way to engage people is to give realistic descriptions of the problems likely to be faced by people who currently don't struggle as much. Otherwise people have an excuse to dismiss or ignore things that don't appear to affect them.

As I said as a remainer at the time of the referendum - the turkeys voted for Christmas. They will get what they chose. I doubt even if they have to have a chicken rather than a turkey for their Chirstmas dinners however they are likely to starve. I certainly hope we can get the draft agreement through parliament however.

It seems very unlikely that the agreement will get through parliament. Does anyone else here think it's likely to? Surely she really has her work cut out for her persuading so many who are against it, from her own party, Labour and the DUP.

Hello, I am a reporter looking to interview London-area moms who are stockpiling food or supplies for Brexit. If you would like to be interviewed, please get in touch! Our team can come to you- so you won't need childcare. Thanks! Sarah

@TVreporter , any sensible prepper keeps their identity private to prevent their hard earned extra supplies being taken by friends who were too short sighted to do it themselves and rely on others to help them.

I understand your concerns! I work with a US network and our audience is American viewers - no danger of them stealing your Brexit supplies! :) You can safely reach out if you would like to be interviewed. Thanks! Sarah

Well I think we might in the short to medium term have to deal with not having 15,438 choices of fucking everything on tap at the drop of a hat and at a very competitive price, but no-one will starve/die/spontaneously combust and so long as we can stop being spoilt and hysterical about it we'll be just fine.

It really wouldn't hurt us at all to have a lesson in how to live slightly more simply, like the majority of the rest of the world have to do, would it?

@TVreporter - any US prepper would say the same. And being broadcast in the US is no guarantee of privacy. YouTube/Facebook etc.
I think the hardships caused in the US by the government shutdown would matter to US audiences. Sorry to be blunt. I admire your initiative and maybe someone in here will go for it but whenever I see journos popping onto threads to ask the same as you, I make it my mission to warn people away.
Plus MNHQ has a media request section. Try that.

Great idea- I will use media request function. Thanks for your suggestion!