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Advice about in-laws and babysitting

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SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 07:09

My in-laws love my one year old very much and he loves them. They are incredibly loving and fun with him.

However- As often as not a visit with them will involve MIL doing something I feel is a bit dangerous or unhygienic with my son. But I am a worrier by nature and it’s hard for me to judge whether my expectations are normal.

For example, in the last two weeks:

She wiped his face and hands with a soiled dish cloth she found in our sink. I’d used it to wipe up raw egg and kitchen spray earlier in the day. She didn’t seem to understand why I asked her to use his baby wipes instead.

On another occasion my son had a wooden xylophone stick in his mouth. She picked him up and play wrestled with him, rolling him around on the floor while was holding the stick in his month. She didn’t seem to understand why I interrupted and took the stick away.

My son has started thrashing around and standing up when his nappy is changed. We change him on a changing table with a seat belt style strap or on a soft mat on the floor so he doesn’t fall or smack his head. She tried to change him on our stone kitchen bench (high off the ground and right next to a ceramic vase, a wine bottle etc). My husband asked her not to.

This is just the last two weeks, but it’s been like this since he was born. I know none of these actions are outrageously negligent. I know lots of parents are more relaxed than I am. But I feel like I’ve spent the last year asking her to be more careful about safety, and she doesn’t take 90% of my concerns on board.

I’ve just returned to work and my mother has offered to watch him one day a week. We have hired a wonderfully qualified nanny for the other days. We did not ask my In laws to babysit purely because MIL and I don’t see eye to eye on safety issues.

It was launched world war three. For days now my in-laws have called DH crying and shouting. They’ve literally said that not being invited to babysit is the worst, most hurtful thing anyone has ever done to them. They say they don’t think they can forgive us and that we have fractured the family. We visited them to try and make peace but they continued to attack, shout, insult and cry. They were incredibly hostile towards me in front of my child. They obviously blame me for all of it although my husband and I are in agreement.

If you read this far thank you.

Basically AIBU about this safety stuff? Any advice for me about childcare in this situation? I hate conflict and I am just stunned by the extremity of their reaction and don’t know what to say or do. We are devastated by this rift, and just so overwhelmed.

What a ramble... sorry. Any advice would be amazing.

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SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 09:11

@Blanchedupetitpois they said we'd sprung this decision on them in a cowardly way, and not given them a chance to change before making our choice. I honestly couldn't believe what I was hearing because particularly in the last few months I have tried to be really clear and firm about safety things. I have felt like a nagging broken record. So for them to act surprised that I have a problem just amazes me, because it shows how completely they ignore everything I say. Over and over.

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SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 09:15

@pictish yes I agree they need to calm down.

I am terrified of a family rift with them. They both have siblings they are on non-speaking terms with and my FIL has not spoken to his In laws for over 30 years. They cut people off. I don't want that to happen but I also can't spend my life being bullied into pleasing them at the expense of my own values and peace of mind

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Chamomileteaplease · 17/11/2018 09:17

So good to hear that your husband is on your wavelength! Otherwise this would be even worse.

From your timing and use of the word "bench" I am assuming that you mean what we call in the UK the kitchen worktop? ie something very high up, not just a foot, for a one year old to fall off. Never mind with the wine bottle etc nearby. Makes my stomach turn to think of it.

I think it is very useful for you to see that everyone on this board agrees with you and that the PILs reaction is even more worrying.

Sorry to say, I don't know the answer because it seems that even if you sat down with them and went through some of your no doubt many many examples they still wouldn't understand.

What are they like personality wise? Are they stubborn? Stupid?

What was your MIL's reaction when your dh asked her not to change yoru son's nappy on the worktop? Did she roll her eyes?

BookwormMe · 17/11/2018 09:17

The way your PIL approach childcare is definitely a generational thing, OP, but the fact they refuse to alter their behaviour when prompted means YANBU for not wanting them to regularly look after your DS. Unfortunately, given their OTT response and all the tears, you need to be prepared for this never properly healing. We had to tell my MIL she couldn't babysit when our DC was a baby because we lived in a flat with lots of stairs and she had a mobility issue and we couldn't risk her not being able to get DC out of their cot and quickly outside in the event of an emergency. She was upset and the knock-on effect is that she and our DC have never been close, which is a shame, but we absolutely made the right decision. I would give your PIL some breathing space to calm down, but if they choose to cut their noses off to spite their faces by going LC/NC, there's nothing you can do.

diddl · 17/11/2018 09:18

But if they cause a rift/cut you off then that will be their decision.

The safety of your child is too big a thing to let go in order to appease them.

Blanchedupetitpois · 17/11/2018 09:19

Because when people feel rejected, shamed, insulted and accused, they tend to react badly with tears, anger and frustration.

But it’s not OP’s fault they feel that way. She tried to address these issues as they arose, and when her in-laws didn’t listen or respect her, she felt that she couldn’t risk the potential danger to her baby. Is she supposed to accept the possibility of danger to avoid upsetting her in-laws? Or should the in-laws take some responsibility here and acknowledge that they had every oportunity to listen and change, but refused to do so?

@SilverBirchTree I think that reaction is really telling. They don’t want to reflect or take responsibility, they just want to blame you. Until they’re willing to admit that responsibility and show you that they are taking steps to change, you can’t really trust them.

They need to realise it’s not enough just to love their grandchild - they need to prove to you that they can keep them safe and out of danger too. That’s not a petty concern to be brushed aside - it’s absolutely essential.

SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 09:19

@Chamomileteaplease yes I mean the worktop, thanks.

When she's corrected she'll just say 'oh' like we're being odd. Sometimes she'll argue back. But she never says anything that shows she understands our POV or what the problem is.

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BookwormMe · 17/11/2018 09:21

Ah, so they have form for cutting people off when they don't get their own way. Don't fall for the emotional blackmail, let them stew.

SnuggyBuggy · 17/11/2018 09:22

They sound like difficult people in general

pictish · 17/11/2018 09:23

I agree with you on that OP.

If it were me, I’d arrange a meal out/coffee and cake at neutral venue in a timely fashion, say in a week...in order to keep people calm as they are in public and to let the dust settle until then.

Write down what you want to say and how you want to convey it. Take turns to air your views. Remain respectful and put on your listening ears, even if they don’t. Then whatever happens, you will know that you did your level best to keep relations healthy and behave like an adult. I do think it would be prudent to hear them out and recognise their hurt over this...just as they ought to understand that you and dh are the parents and the final say lies with you.

Family feuds are a thing...but so is compromise. When you have gone all out to achieve one and met with a brick wall, there is nothing else you can do. You can rest easy knowing you behaved well and you tried.

Good luck xx

Chamomileteaplease · 17/11/2018 09:25

I think that is it in a nutshell - what blanched up said - it is not enough for them just to love their grandchild, they need to be able to keep him safe too.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 17/11/2018 09:27

What a shame it's come to this. They obviously adore your baby even though some of their methods of care are a little wonky.

I doubt you'll be able to repair the fracture of your relationship now OP which is really sad for your son. Having grandparents that are fun and loving and that are willing to spend time with their GC are hugely important ( imo anyway I know that isn't a MN belief) and benefit both the child and the GPS in many different ways throughout their lives.

Not sure how you're going to pull this one round personally OP.

sabrinathethirtysomethingwitch · 17/11/2018 09:29

YANBU. Listen to your instincts. Your child comes first.

pictish · 17/11/2018 09:30

I agree with you Duck.

A swipe round the chops with a dishcloth is hardly worth this. I dishclothed my own a few times. They lived.

homeishere · 17/11/2018 09:30

Just go NC. If they want to have a relationship with their grandchild(-ren in the future perhaps) then they need to bend to your opinion. If not, then you’ve not lost anything. If it isn’t this issue then it will be something else in a few years time. People like this subconsciously seek confrontation out.

Alittlelessconversation0 · 17/11/2018 09:32

Not sure how you're going to pull this one round personally OP.

Why is is her responsibility to?

I agree it is a shame. But Some gps just will not listen no matter how many times they are asked and do not like being told either.
Their lack of regard for the ops rules and parenting style has caused this, nothing else.

SnuggyBuggy · 17/11/2018 09:32

I agree with Home, they sound like drama llamas and you need to come up with a way to manage their tantrums because this won't be the only one.

StUmbrageinSkelt · 17/11/2018 09:33

The generational thing is utter bollocks. It's never been the norm to use a dirty kitchen dishcloth to wash a baby's face and most people of my generation or older would be horrified at changing a dirty nappy on a kitchen benchtop.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 17/11/2018 09:33

Haven't we had threads on MN where a baby ate poo ShockGrin Pictish?

diddl · 17/11/2018 09:33

"I dishclothed my own a few times. They lived."

That's not the point though is it?

Op doesn't want her son wiping with a dishcloth & alternatives are available but the Gps aren't interested in listening to her.

MsFrosty · 17/11/2018 09:35

I think you're a bit OTT however I would never leave my child with someone I didn't trust, it's hard enough returning to work with the worry of whether your child is safe and happy so I do agree that you have to do what makes you feel happy

hellojim · 17/11/2018 09:37

They both have siblings they are on non-speaking terms with and my FIL has not spoken to his In laws for over 30 years. They cut people off
I think this probably says a lot about them! It doesn't sound as if they are open to any input or constructive criticism. Your ILs may be well-meaning but you need to be able to communicate freely and share concerns with whoever is caring for your baby. Personally I would not like the uncertainty about safety issues. It's great that your DH agrees with you on this.

Hermagsjesty · 17/11/2018 09:39

YANBU. Of course a loving, fun relationship with grandparents benefits everyone - but that absolutely does not mean grandparents are ENTITLED to a day a week looking after their grandchild. A baby is not a possession. The parents absolutely have to feel comfortable with who is looking after them. And I think this generational standards being different thing is a bit of a red herring TBH - my parents are in their 70s but they listened respectfully when we told them what the current advice was and what we felt comfortable with and even where it was different to “in their day” they learnt and adapted. That’s because they’re thoughtful and understanding and respect how hard it is for a parent when they’re first leaving someone else in charge of their child. Your in-laws reaction suggests the opposite. Do not let them bully or emotionally blackmail you. For them to speak to you like that in front of child is bang out of order. (TBH I think the fact they’re engulfed in so many other family riffs is pretty telling too)

YodasMum · 17/11/2018 09:41

Actually I don’t think this is a generational thing. My parents are a few years older than the OP’s PIL and they wouldn’t dream of doing anything like this, although they were using child seat belts before the tougher rules came in in the ‘80s, so they may just be naturally more cautious. Unfortunately for the OP I think this is different perspectives on safety which may make it more difficult to change.
I can see why all parties are so upset and you have my sympathies OP trying to navigate this mess, but as parents we have to risk assess for our children.

Santaispolishinghissleigh · 17/11/2018 09:41

Would be interested to hear from the relatives she has cut off.....
Sounds like they know her very well....
My ex ils never listened to me, caused no end of arguments. Safety issues at their house, open upstairs windows, pills left around, allowed to bounce on a high bed. They were allowed to see dc at our house but never at theirs unsupervised.
Glad you have spoken out, rift or not the safety of your dc is priority.

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