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Advice about in-laws and babysitting

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SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 07:09

My in-laws love my one year old very much and he loves them. They are incredibly loving and fun with him.

However- As often as not a visit with them will involve MIL doing something I feel is a bit dangerous or unhygienic with my son. But I am a worrier by nature and it’s hard for me to judge whether my expectations are normal.

For example, in the last two weeks:

She wiped his face and hands with a soiled dish cloth she found in our sink. I’d used it to wipe up raw egg and kitchen spray earlier in the day. She didn’t seem to understand why I asked her to use his baby wipes instead.

On another occasion my son had a wooden xylophone stick in his mouth. She picked him up and play wrestled with him, rolling him around on the floor while was holding the stick in his month. She didn’t seem to understand why I interrupted and took the stick away.

My son has started thrashing around and standing up when his nappy is changed. We change him on a changing table with a seat belt style strap or on a soft mat on the floor so he doesn’t fall or smack his head. She tried to change him on our stone kitchen bench (high off the ground and right next to a ceramic vase, a wine bottle etc). My husband asked her not to.

This is just the last two weeks, but it’s been like this since he was born. I know none of these actions are outrageously negligent. I know lots of parents are more relaxed than I am. But I feel like I’ve spent the last year asking her to be more careful about safety, and she doesn’t take 90% of my concerns on board.

I’ve just returned to work and my mother has offered to watch him one day a week. We have hired a wonderfully qualified nanny for the other days. We did not ask my In laws to babysit purely because MIL and I don’t see eye to eye on safety issues.

It was launched world war three. For days now my in-laws have called DH crying and shouting. They’ve literally said that not being invited to babysit is the worst, most hurtful thing anyone has ever done to them. They say they don’t think they can forgive us and that we have fractured the family. We visited them to try and make peace but they continued to attack, shout, insult and cry. They were incredibly hostile towards me in front of my child. They obviously blame me for all of it although my husband and I are in agreement.

If you read this far thank you.

Basically AIBU about this safety stuff? Any advice for me about childcare in this situation? I hate conflict and I am just stunned by the extremity of their reaction and don’t know what to say or do. We are devastated by this rift, and just so overwhelmed.

What a ramble... sorry. Any advice would be amazing.

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SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 08:46

@diddl sorry I didn't answer your question. I have no idea whether she rinsed the cloth, I just saw her wiping him down with one and asked 'MIL did you get that cloth from the cupboard?' (Where the new clean ones are) and she said 'it was in the sink'

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Missingstreetlife · 17/11/2018 08:46

Just leave them to calm down, then let dh deal with them. They should come back contrite and apologise.
Don't be browbeaten, your way or the highway

SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 08:47

@pictish yep I think you've summed up their position exactly.

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masterandmargarita · 17/11/2018 08:49

Maybe as the kids get older you can let the in laws have more involvement. It does seem a shame to have all this bad feeling. I must say when anyone looked after my kids as babies (which didn't happen all that often) I was always so grateful that I never considered safety issues.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 17/11/2018 08:52

I think the way they have reacted probably speaks more than the ignoring previously. To me it would show me I was right to have concerns. This may be because my parents are similar and I'd come to the realisation a while ago that if anything happened to my DC in their care they'd do everything protect themselves from the blame rather than tell the truth and reflect on what happened. I'm lucky in that my ILs sometimes thought we were crackers but did what we asked and now can see why we were concerned over certain things that were done differently today than when they were raising their own DC.

Blanchedupetitpois · 17/11/2018 08:54

Fucking hell - even if your concerns about safety weren’t valid (which they are) their reaction shows that they aren’t stable or reliable enough to care for your son. The way they treated you is appalling. I think you need to tell them that the rift can only be healed by them accepting the ways they have behaved badly and taking meaningful steps to change. I’m so sorry you’re going through this.

AnotherEmma · 17/11/2018 08:55

YANBU at all

Even before I got to their reaction, I thought you were being perfectly reasonable, and their reaction just confirms it.

Flowers to you and your husband.

tenorladybeaker · 17/11/2018 08:55

I don't think that you are being unreasonable, but u don't think you have much chance of ever convincing your in-laws of this.

TwistedStitch · 17/11/2018 08:56

Their reaction is as much of a concern as the safety issues. No way would I leave my child with someone who saw fit to behave so aggressively to me, especially in front of my child.

diddl · 17/11/2018 08:56

Times have changed, but I didn't think that wiping with a dishcloth or changing on a kitchen surface was ever a thing!

pictish · 17/11/2018 08:56

I didn’t question my in-laws’ methods either, even though none of them were au fait with all the new babycare methods we subscribe to these days. Mil and her dh and fil and his dw all looked after our three babies.
1.They have all raised kids of their own very successfully thanks.

  1. I was hardly a paragon of exacting wonderousness in babycare myself. I’m human. I got distracted, I took my eye off the ball at times. I cut corners. I was NORMAL.

I was so delighted that they wanted to love and look after our children, I handed them over without a lecture or a list. Just thanks.

As much as it’s going to be an unpopular opinion on this thread, I think you are being unreasonable.

Nanny0gg · 17/11/2018 08:57

@pictish yep I think you've summed up their position exactly

How old are they? Unless they're in their 80s I don't agree.
Everything that you have a problem with would be a problem for me and I'm in my 60s!
And I will never understand grown adults with those kind of histrionics. They need to calm down!

SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 08:59

@Nanny0gg in their early 60s

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SnuggyBuggy · 17/11/2018 09:00

YANBU, whether your safety rules for your child are reasonable or not you don't ride roughshod over a mother's wishes for her child.

Blanchedupetitpois · 17/11/2018 09:00

And to people saying they don’t know better - really? Don’t know better than to wipe a baby’s face with a dishcloth they found in the sink? Which anyone with two brain cells to rub together would realise could be filthy or covered with bleach?

My mother and MIL would never dream of being so stupid, and they certainly wouldn’t preservere with such behaviour if asked politely to stop.

SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 09:00

Thanks @pictish Im open to other perspectives and I think understanding their POV is the only way we can get through this because they don't seem capable of understanding mine

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Mumtoboy123 · 17/11/2018 09:00

Your child, not theirs. You are the parent. They are the grand parent. They should be respectful of your wishes. Nothing worse than quit tears. Stay strong to your feelings on this... dont be guilt tripped

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 17/11/2018 09:02

Thing is now OP if you do back down to their quite frankly appalling behaviour you will set a precident for them to tantrum and get their own way on things moving forward,You are so not being unreasonable ,,your child not theirs.Thankfully your husband seems to be on the same page which is a good thing.They will come round given space and time,I suggest leaving them well alone until they do,reward good behaviour and ignore the bad! Isn;t it absurd we are talking about adult behaviour and not childrens?! They are being dreadfully silly and if anyone is fracturing anything its them! Proceed as you and your husband wish no other views should be taken into account ..Best wishes

sadkoala · 17/11/2018 09:03

I think @pictish has got it.
Years ago safety measures and the way people cared for babies and children was vastly different and most of them turned out perfectly fine and stayed safe enough.

Nowadays there's a lot more research and parents are taking extra precautions (and rightfully so) because they don't want something to go wrong even if it's a 1 in a 100 or 1 in a 1000 chance - think changing baby on the bench like your MIL.
The chances are that 99 times out of 100 there would have been no issues and MIL was capable of keeping the baby perfectly safe but that one time she slipped up and he would have fallen off and hurt himself and you are not prepared to take that risk and they should accept that.
My DP(arents) had a similar approach. I also knew for a fact they won't listen to me about not giving him sweets - I'd provide organix snacks he loved and lots of fruit and bits he was crazy for but they'd try to give him kinder eggs and sugary chocolate yogurt and would think that's good as it's filling him up. They had a similar reaction to a similar situation and DM called me in tears ranting for ages.

My DGPs though car seats were redundant and I have been having to put my foot down multiple times during the last visit as they thought DS could just go on someone's lap when there was no room in the car rather than traveling in 2 cars. I'm now seen as the overprotective one but I'm fine with that.

Do what's right for you and ignore the blackmail attempts.

pictish · 17/11/2018 09:03

Have you met them Nanny. Can you say that you know every nuance, subtlety and event that led up to this incident with confidence?

No...you know the bare bones of what one party has chosen to tell you.

It is clear to me that unless they have shown precious indication that they are a gaggle of nut jobs, they are absolutely distraught and blind-sided over this babysitting ban.

Blanchedupetitpois · 17/11/2018 09:07

they are absolutely distraught and blind-sided over this babysitting ban.

Perhaps they wouldn’t be if they’d listened to OP’s attempts to tell them of her concerns? Or made an effort to adjust their behaviour?

And if they’re blindsided and distraught, why are they being aggressive and shouting instead of saying ‘what can we do to fix this?’

diddl · 17/11/2018 09:07

"They’ve literally said that not being invited to babysit is the worst, most hurtful thing anyone has ever done to them."

And surely the slap dash concern they have shown for their GS's safety is hurtful to you, Op?

SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 09:08

@sadkoala that's what I keep dwelling on, that 1/100 chance. Yes changing him on the bench probably going to be fine. No, be probably won't lose and eye or puncture his mouth on the xylophone stick... but there is a small stance he could. And if she does one silly thing an hour, for ten hours a day, one day a week then eventually something bad might happen.

And when it does- that's it. My son is hurt and there's no undoing it.

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pictish · 17/11/2018 09:08

And btw - this is the sort of shit that causes family rifts for YEARS.

OP thinks her in-laws are a danger.
In-laws think OP is using her baby to firmly reject them.
Both are correct.

Massive rift ensues.

pictish · 17/11/2018 09:10

Because when people feel rejected, shamed, insulted and accused, they tend to react badly with tears, anger and frustration.

Maybe it’s a case of taking the pot off the boil for a while and letting everyone calm down before broaching this again.

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