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Advice about in-laws and babysitting

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SilverBirchTree · 17/11/2018 07:09

My in-laws love my one year old very much and he loves them. They are incredibly loving and fun with him.

However- As often as not a visit with them will involve MIL doing something I feel is a bit dangerous or unhygienic with my son. But I am a worrier by nature and it’s hard for me to judge whether my expectations are normal.

For example, in the last two weeks:

She wiped his face and hands with a soiled dish cloth she found in our sink. I’d used it to wipe up raw egg and kitchen spray earlier in the day. She didn’t seem to understand why I asked her to use his baby wipes instead.

On another occasion my son had a wooden xylophone stick in his mouth. She picked him up and play wrestled with him, rolling him around on the floor while was holding the stick in his month. She didn’t seem to understand why I interrupted and took the stick away.

My son has started thrashing around and standing up when his nappy is changed. We change him on a changing table with a seat belt style strap or on a soft mat on the floor so he doesn’t fall or smack his head. She tried to change him on our stone kitchen bench (high off the ground and right next to a ceramic vase, a wine bottle etc). My husband asked her not to.

This is just the last two weeks, but it’s been like this since he was born. I know none of these actions are outrageously negligent. I know lots of parents are more relaxed than I am. But I feel like I’ve spent the last year asking her to be more careful about safety, and she doesn’t take 90% of my concerns on board.

I’ve just returned to work and my mother has offered to watch him one day a week. We have hired a wonderfully qualified nanny for the other days. We did not ask my In laws to babysit purely because MIL and I don’t see eye to eye on safety issues.

It was launched world war three. For days now my in-laws have called DH crying and shouting. They’ve literally said that not being invited to babysit is the worst, most hurtful thing anyone has ever done to them. They say they don’t think they can forgive us and that we have fractured the family. We visited them to try and make peace but they continued to attack, shout, insult and cry. They were incredibly hostile towards me in front of my child. They obviously blame me for all of it although my husband and I are in agreement.

If you read this far thank you.

Basically AIBU about this safety stuff? Any advice for me about childcare in this situation? I hate conflict and I am just stunned by the extremity of their reaction and don’t know what to say or do. We are devastated by this rift, and just so overwhelmed.

What a ramble... sorry. Any advice would be amazing.

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SilverBirchTree · 11/12/2018 07:00

Just an update-

Thank you to whoever recommended Susan Forward's books. I've read 'toxic in-laws' and currently reading 'emotional blackmail'.

In laws have not calmed down at all, almost a month later. Still calling us hysterically saying the family is breaking up, demanding our time and attention despite us saying we need some time apart for everyone to calm down. They sent us a letter saying we're overreacting to what is simply an 'outpouring of grief', which we caused by being so unfair to them. They deny that they yelled or glared etc. They say we are being unfeeling towards them and misinterpreting their extreme hurt.

FIL has met DH for lunch three times and told him that my standards were irrationally high, constantly changing and impossible for anyone to live up to. He told my husband that I am too mentally ill to make decisions about my child and that DH is 'enabling my irrational anxieties and beliefs' by agreeing with me on the babysitting thing. This makes me so wary of them because PIL know I had 3 months of post natal anxiety after the birth. I am long since treated and cured, but it shows how far they are willing to go to use this knowledge to try to discredit me. I don't think I can ever trust them again.

They have refused family counseling. Apparently they have so many problems with me and my mothering that I 'wouldn't want to know the truth' about what they think.

Looking back, so much of their behaviour since the baby was born has been controlling and manipulative.

DH is fed up with them. I am as well. I don't know what happens next because they refuse to give us space, and won't calm down.

If anyone is still following the thread and has experience with people like this, I would really value your thoughts.

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cptartapp · 11/12/2018 07:14

Don't answer the phone. Don't go for lunch, let alone three times. Don't answer the door. Cut total contact for a month. You need to take back control and stop trying to appease them. My nephew sledged into a tree and nearly knowcked himself out whilst under PIL care, DS1 badly scuffed all his hip and arms off a scooter, and my other nephew broke both wrists, again with a lack of PIL supervision whilst babysitting. Our DC were never left with them again. They got over it.

SilverBirchTree · 11/12/2018 07:22

@cptartapp I haven't been in contact with them but DH has. They are apparently furious with me for 'cutting them out'

I would love a month off, but fricken Christmas is coming up. It's created this huge pressure to reach some kind of resolution by then so we don't ruin the extended family's Christmas with this BS.

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Disfordarkchocolate · 11/12/2018 07:27

I agree a month with no contact is the way to go. As your husband is in touch they are having their poor behaviour rewarded. You can see the rest of the family separately over Christmas, Christmas will not be ruined at all it will just be different (less stressful for you).

Bibijayne · 11/12/2018 07:33

Doesn't matter about Christmas. You're not going to get a resolution by then - unless you 'give in' and let them do what they want.

I think you and your DH need to go NC for a while. They've made it clear that they do not respect you and your role as your DH partner and mum of your baby.

They've made it clear that they have no intention of ever listening to what you and your DH want. They're not healthy people to have around your DS at the moment.

So, they miss out on Christmas with your family this year.

Super123 · 11/12/2018 07:45

What an awful situation.
Has your DH been quite clear with his parents that he feels the same?

masterandmargarita · 11/12/2018 07:46

Ultimately if this family rift is to be healed you both need to take steps towards each other who ever's right or wrong.

FairytaleOfWigan · 11/12/2018 08:02

I know you really REALLY want to fix this, for the sake of your child and husband . But you can’t.

Your husband has told you how this works - you do what they want , 100%, or they cut you off. Then they bad mouth you to everyone . This is who they are and how they deal with people. You didn’t cause it and you can’t control it.

Your husband has never faced it before because he never said No to them ( about something that mattered ). Now THEY have made him choose - his child’s safety and his marriage or his parents .

He has chosen and you need to support him, not whinge about how bad it makes you feel as you are a nice person and you don’t want the blame etc.

You are losing face and feeling a bit guilty. He has lost his parents and those of his family who will choose to side with them ( which will probably be most of them). He needs your help to deal with his FOG ( fear obligation and guilt ).

Please undertand :

You can’t control them. You can’t control what they say or do. They DONT WANT to care for your child as much as they want to be RIGHT. They LOVE this drama and being at the centre of everyones attention.

I guarantee they will have their best Christmas ever , sitting at the table tellling everyone how awful you both are and crying into their soup, surrounded by their family agreeing with their every word and tutting sympathetically .

This is FAR more fun to them than swallowing their pride, accepting your views are different and just being normal GP. I KNOW this because if it wasn’t more fun, they would stop. They don’t need your help (or a counsellors) to stop. They DONT WANT TO!

Stop talking to them and trying to get them to see they are unreasonable . They won’t. And please support your husband in his loss.

I agree that counselling might be helpful but for you and your Dh together, to help you work on your own feelings about your IL/ his parents .

SilverBirchTree · 11/12/2018 08:17

@Super123 DH told his parents we are in agreement but PIL continue to believe that I am the only one with a problem and DH is 'enabling' me.

DH keeps answering the phone etc. He wants their understanding, approval, agreement. I know that's not coming so I am NC with them at the moment. I don't think I owe it to them to be their punching bag, no matter how much they say they are 'suffering' due to our childcare choice.

I am trying to be supportive of DH. It's a lot easier for me to give up on the relationship with PIL than it is for DH.

I think I agree re: Christmas. It's a tough one though because if we don't go, the extended family might believe that we are the ones causing a rift and being punitive towards PIL. If we do go though, i think we can expect further theatrics from FIL which will make Christmas awkward for everyone.

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SilverBirchTree · 11/12/2018 08:36

@FairytaleOfWigan I agree with everything you said.

They don't want this to stop unless it ends with them 'winning'. It is ridiculous.

I am so profoundly fed up with them.

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Super123 · 11/12/2018 09:44

FairytaleofWigan, that is a super post!

woolduvet · 11/12/2018 11:50

Does he say "I think you shouldn't blah blah"
Or is it a "we.."
I'm wondering if they think you control him etc
But if it was me I'd be making plans to see the rest of the family independently.

masterandmargarita · 11/12/2018 11:57

I disagree. I don't believe 'they love the drama and being at the centre of everyone's attention'. It's a fucked up situation that needs both parties to come towards each other rather than both parties thinking they're 100% right.

Fashionista101 · 11/12/2018 12:01

Wow I could have written this.

My MIL is exactly like this, never looked after DS then once she convinced us (after crying/guilt tripping) to go out for dinner and she would watch him at hers. He was 2 and half at the time and she left her towel warmer style radiator in full in her bathroom. DS grabbed it and burnt his hand really badly.

Trust your instinct, I'll never forgive myself!

Wasither · 11/12/2018 12:13

I hated letting my xpil look after my dc when they were young. I had safety concerns (they let dc try and eat plastic bags, when I took the bags off dc xpil said 'it's ok, I've put a knot in it, my kids loved playing with plastic bags"). I was horrified, why on earth would anyone let a very small baby try to eat a plastic bag and not see an issue with it. They also gave them paper envelopes to play with when they were teething, so of course they ate the paper.
And there were other things that weren't safety issues just differences but I still wouldn't have been happy with it. Things like constantly trying to give chocolate and biscuits instead of meals because "it's ok we can do that at grannies". One thing that really bugged me was the insistence on a dummy. My dc never had a dummy, but xpil were constantly saying to them "oh do you want a dummy, you need a dummy don't you, nasty mummy not giving you a dummy to suck". Dc were very happy babies and only cried if they got over tired or over hungry, and our choice as parents was no dummy. It pissed me off that xpil wanted to ignore that. Thankfully xH had the same opinion so xpil never had dc even after we split up.

They occasionally had dc once they were old enough to look after themselves but never before.

iamthegrinch · 11/12/2018 12:16

@masterandmargarita but the op is 100% right here. It's not like you can come to a compromise over your child's safety!!

It's non negotiable. The only thing stopping them is pride.

My own MIL told me to correct her if I ever felt what she was doing was dangerous because it's been a long time since she's looked after little ones and she'd hate to put DS in danger.... this is a normal comment from a loving grandparent.

Not putting the little ones safety first because of pride is seriously fucked up.

CanSurvive · 11/12/2018 20:07

Ignore the lone voice of @@masterandmargarita it’s that for a reason.
The fact that your DH is on board is great, he just needs your help and support.

Weenurse · 12/12/2018 06:45

Why don’t you plan on Christmas as yours with the three of you. Ask others to drop in for a visit through out the day.
This set up a good tradition going forward. When children are under 2 they are transportable at Christmas. After that, they want to play with their toys and stay at home.
Use this Christmas as an opportunity to put in place how you want Christmas for your family going forward.
Good luck

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