to think the hospital should have kicked them out a long time ago?!

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-daughter-live-hospital-15-13576615
21 year old woman and her mother have been living in a hospital room for 15 months!

On the face of it it’s awful but given the hospital haven’t taken action to get them out I wonder if there is more to it than meets the eye? Surely otherwise they would have started legal proceedings pretty early on?

She's going to college 3 days in a week (in a taxi, no doubt paid for by taxpayer), if you're well enough to attend college, surely you're well enough to leave hospital?!

It said that she was declared fit for discharge after a month but as they had no where to go back to as their flat had been given to someone else the hospital couldn't discharge them.
Have they applied for a new flat? Why did the mother give up her flat?The article raises alsorts of questions.

They are under Lincolnshire council. So London won't accommodate them. Grimsby city have said they have a duty to house them so if they return they are eligible for housing there.

It's a very patchy story though and wouldn't really read as gospel. More unsaid than said here I think. No hospital would maintain this without good reason.

I've only ever seen this with elderly people and they take it very seriously, after so long when they are classed as 'medically discharged' social services are charged for the hospital stay (they usually move quick sharp after this). It makes no sense at all?

It’s a bit of a catch-22 TBF.

Grimsby won’t bother housing them unless they return to the area and present themselves at the council office., but I can see that it would be incredibly risky for them to leave the hospital and go back to Grimsby when there’s no offer of a flat in place.

The daughter is clearly severely disabled, so it’s probably not possible for them to just turn up and take a B&B on the day.

They won't have "given up their flat". Your benefits are stopped if you are in hospital for a certain length of time, so they won't have been able to pay for it.

The word 'reportedly' doing a lot of heavy lifting in that story, I see!

Hmmm, very unusual this and lots that we aren't being told. I suspect that the flat was given up (it takes more than a month for the landlord to gain possession) due to it now being unsuitable for the families needs for one reason or another - being medically fit for discharge does not mean that the patient is back to their preadmission baseline and the flat may no longer have met there needs.

There is also the possibility that they deliberately went to the hospital in Barnet, gave up the flat voluntarily in the hope that Barnet council would house them, which they won't do due to ordinary residence rules and intentional homelessness.

If it took a month before she was fit for discharge, I would think she was pretty poorly when admitted. The article is making them out to be some sort of scrounging ner do wells, which is grim considering they are obviously vulnerable.

Hospital wards are not hotels, they are noisy, boring and impersonal. I can’t imagine anyone choosing to stay unless they feared something worse was the alternative.

Abacucat... surely the mothers benefits wouldn't have been stopped because the daughter was admitted? And daughter was fit for discharge after 4 weeks so hers wouldn't have been either, initially!
They're obviously getting money from somewhere for all their shopping trips and asos orders!

Steelesauce I suspect that social services have no statutory duty here so the hospital can't hold them liable, or that SS have offered them something but the family have refused, which is their right.

Why on earth did the council make them homeless by moving somebody else into their council flat? I think there must be more to this than meets the eye - rent arrears perhaps?

Being from Grimsby they are under North East Lincolnshire council (NELC) and Grimsby is a town not a city. NELC are a shit show, they can't even empty the bins for the local people, there is no way on earth they would home anyone if they could get out of it in any way shape or form.

I'm sure there is much more to this than meets the eye.

Shopping trips and asos orders? Did I miss something?

It says in the article they've had asos deliveries to the hospital and the daughter has tweeted about going shopping with her mother.
It did in one of the articles I read anyone, possible daily Mail but didn't want to link to there!

Bed blocking is far more common than people realise, largely because of all the cuts to social care. Someone can be fit for discharge, but will remain in hospital until suitable accommodation is found. It's far more common in older people, and is largely due to cuts in social care funding.

The newspapers should focus on highlighting the impact of social care cuts and the knock on effect to the NHS.

I know of a similar situation involving the same trust, albeit a different hospital.
The child has a disability and was hospitalised. During the stay, the child's condition worsened and a permanent decline of health developed, this also meant that the home environment was no longer suitable. Although at the admission time, it was barely suitable for long term.
The family ask the hospital to lean on the LA with regards to housing. LA come up with a 3rd plan - place child in a residential school as long term it works out cheaper paying that rather than transport to and from current sn school, school, (out of borough so more costs), costs associated with echp and ongoing adaptation to home.
Family rightfully, fuck you.
Family cannot move from hospital and petition created.

I'm wondering if something similar based on the flat was re-allocated in 4 weeks. That alone is odd because of court case for getting the flat back and then sending in bailiffs. What happened to their stuff. And it allocated, all within a month??

I'm also interested in why the mother is allowed to stay with her, she's over the age of 18, surely she only be allowed on the ward's at visiting time? She's not a patient.

If they have been in hospital that long they will need to have bought new clothes, even if just underwear.

Ah okay, I can only comment on the information linked, not any other my psychic ability didn't stretch to.

There are rules about benefits and hospital admissions - they're stopped after a certain length of time. If the mum is on JSA in particular she won't have been getting that as you have to sign on and be available for work. She would have lost any passported benefits such as HB as well if that happened and I could see how it would be problematic to put in a new claim for it if they were no longer in the area.

Poor show by NELC to forfeit the tenancy on this basis although like a pp said unsurprising as they are shit. They won't even care about the human/financial cost if it's one less family they can dodge their duty in regard to.

And all very well saying they'll be housed if they go back but the daughter is a wheelchair user. Where are they going to house her?

Poor people.

And of course the mirror trying to make out that they're living in luxury at taxpayers' expense (they have a CHAIR. And a SINK). What a shitshow.

Does that fact in itself not suggest there is more to this than we are being told?

Do you think that the NHS can provide what may be 24/7 care for someone with significant disabilities?