to think the hospital should have kicked them out a long time ago?!

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-daughter-live-hospital-15-13576615
21 year old woman and her mother have been living in a hospital room for 15 months!

How did the daughter get onto a college course there with no address?

Poor Lincolnshire being blamed when it's a totally different council. North Lincolnshire, North East Lincolnshire and Lincolnshire are 3 entirely separate councils.

^so it's still Lincolnshire then

Only if you also think North Korea and South Korea are the same country because they both have Korea in the name.

if Grimsby council said here is your flat you can move in tomorrow they wouldn’t be trying to live in a hospital which must be bloody inconvenient for them.

They have said that. There's a flat in Grimsby for them with all adaptations. Vanessa Feltz was talking about this all morning on BBC Radio London.
They should chuck the pair of them out into the street.

I'm prob being thick, but why can't they present themselves at Housing Dept, that's how system works :then you get same day temp housing, (hotel, B&B or similar) until you get perm place. If you have health issues you get help looking. I had an advisor come with me to 3. 1 was awful,the other two really nice. I chose the one near shops & with good public transport links. The temp B&B was very off the beaten track, quiet, safe & an ideal stop gap for me.

Abacucat... surely the mothers benefits wouldn't have been stopped because the daughter was admitted? And daughter was fit for discharge after 4 weeks so hers wouldn't have been either, initially!

DLA/PIP stop if you are hospitalised. I have not read the newsspaper article yet, but if the daughter is under 16 then it is paid to the mother.

If you are getting DLA/PIP you can get other benefits eg carer's allowance or an add on to income support.

These stop after 28 days, if you are using DLA/PIP to pay for a car you then have to pay £50+ a week until the car is returned.

from another thread.

FadedRed Mon 12-Nov-18 18:12:55

Does it address the issue of people on UC being unable to get the free prescriptions they are entitled to, and being sent demands for payments of charges and fines because the DSS and the NHS Payments dept haven't managed to get the system right? People who are on UC because of chronic health problems, so more likely to need vital medications are having to choose not taking their medication versus continual harassment by debt collections firms for non payments of charges and fines they should not be liable to in the first place.
Disgraceful.
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HelenaDove Mon 12-Nov-18 19:16:12

@FadedRed i saw someone post on fb that they had been charged £300.
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HelenaDove Mon 12-Nov-18 19:31:38

on now
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FadedRed Mon 12-Nov-18 19:50:52

@HelenaDove It was featured on Radio 4 'You and Yours' programme last Thursday lunchtime edition. First I'd heard, but it's being going on since the UC first started, so enough time to have been sorted out by now. Although it shouldn't have happened in the first place, does no-one in government live on the same planet or have any common sense to prevent this sort of rediculous situation happening in the first place?

@CSIblonde several reasons... From other sources it suggests they want to remain in Barnet. Barnet have no responsibility to them, so presenting as homeless to Barnet would do no good.

If they present as homeless in Grimsby, they only have a duty to house the vulnerable adult. This could leave them separated and potentially land the daughter in a care home (especially if temp accomodation isn't wheelchair accessible). The journey to Grimsby would be 3+ hours each way, plus the time waiting at hospital. That's enough time for the hospital bed to be considered vacated and them homeless.

@CSIblonde

Because they will need somewhere that's adapted for her needs, such as no steps, wider doors, wet room, lowered kitchen surfaces etc.

15 months is a long time to wait for somewhere suitable, but I've known a few patients who have had to wait up to a year for somewhere.

We also have plenty of "regulars" who basically live in the hospital, get discharged and are back in A&E the next day. There's lots of different reasons for this: not wanting to pay bills or for food is one, but it's mostly due to loneliness or mental health problems.

Popcorn, apparently there is somewhere adapted waiting in Grimsby and they're not shifting.

So there's a disabled patient who has clearly been ill enough to stay in hospital for an entire month. She and her Mum lost their flat because of her extended hospital stay. Because she is disabled, she could not be rehoused. It's fair enough for them to stay in hospital accommodation- it's not like she could live on the streets!!

Well given that Grimsby also gave their original flat to somebody else i would be following up their claims that they now suddenly have a fully adapted home if i was a journo.

ive seen what an HAs idea of a fully adapted home is.

I can't find any report that backs up that claim that Grimsby have an adapted flat waiting for them, and indeed if they did it is totally inexplicable that they did not say so when asked for a quote by the original reporter. I suspect a large degree of, shall we say, economising with the facts there.

EXACTLY @Miscible

so why didnt they tell the original reporter that then.

And its just words on a page saying that a property is available.

There was a lot of rhetoric about the Grenfell residents not accepting properties and being "picky"

What WASNT being said (by the same hypocritical papers that couldnt work out why the effigy burners felt justified in doing what they did) was that the places werent fit for human habitation.

We really dont learn from history do we.

Ahem

kay
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26 Aug 2015

A 15 year old boy unable to walk has been in hospital for 8 months now because "Barnet Homes" refuses to re-house him.

twitter.com/wyn_dave_ltd/status/636554339000164352

the young womans twitter account is now locked.

Not surprised really I can just imagine what disabilist comments she is getting.

ooh i wonder if The Last Leg would be interested in doing an angle on this.

It doesn’t state why she was admitted and what her care needs are.
I lived with my daughter in hospital for 20 months. Her health declined rapidly and during admission had been put on cares that meant we could not go back to living where we was.
I was trained to do these cares but it was 11 months of waiting to be housed.
Another boy in similar issues waited 2 years.
We were classed as bed blockers but our hospital never minded as it was then saying she couldn’t be discharged until we were housed.

I once blocked a bed for about 6 months post hospital admission waiting for adapted accommodation and they were starting to look nationally but found something in a neighbouring council that wasn't perfect but would do, I'd like to move but it's virtually impossible due to the sheer lack of adapted properties

It's clear on this thread who knows what they are talking about (@HelenaDove) and who is simply spouting ill informed judgement

As ever the standard MN disablism that lacks the awareness of disablism to realise it is disablism (who me? Of course I'm not prejudiced I'm only pointing out THAT) is off the fucking chart

YY Valley Clouds

i simply do NOT believe that a council that allowed another tenant to move into their home while they were in hospital has suddenly found another adapted home out of nowhere.

Im in Essex but i had a housing manager sit in my living room last Christmas and tell me + DH that there ARE NO adapted homes.

There are literally about 3 specialist housing providers for adapted homes nationwide and then you have to hope that they have both

A) properties in your area (unlikely)

B) an open waiting list (highly unlikely)

AND any journo worth their salt could/would be making an FOI request.

HAs dont come under the FOI Act but councils do.

If newspaper journalists did some actual investigative journalism instead of trawling social media for stories and threads that would make a change.

What the report says is: "But now North East Lincolnshire Council said the pair are free to return to Grimsby as a suitable property is now available."

That word "now" is significant, particularly compared with their first response to the reporter. What they mean is that they have scrambled around and found a ground floor property in response either to the report or a threat of litigation, but I would put money on the fact that it is not adapted for this family. If they were that keen on contacting and rehousing them, surely they would have contacted the hospital authorities who would no doubt be happy to liaise? They will need to make arrangements for an occupational therapist to check the property anyway.