to think the hospital should have kicked them out a long time ago?!

[lalalemon]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-daughter-live-hospital-15-13576615
21 year old woman and her mother have been living in a hospital room for 15 months!

@giftsonthebrain.

Maybe they cant afford to live on £64 a week Carers Allowance.

Could you?

These attitudes towards carers or potential family carers are being discussed at length on NHS threads.

3am discharge anyone? Several carers have experienced this with family members.

Not talking about carers.

Many families will be in fear of losing their jobs They cant just drop everything

Many of them got on their bike to look for work like they were told to.

And now there is moaning when the chickens come home to roost and the reckoning is to be paid.

Thats why i said POTENTIAL family carers.

@giftsonthebrain Okay here is a rule of thumb

How accomodating would the NHS be if you or your colleugues had to keep taking time off work to deal with the same or similar problem involving a elderly or disabled relative?

I think they’re probably chancing their arm trying to force a property in Barnet, but just the use ‘motorised scooter’ instead of ‘wheelchair’ shows how the paper are trying to influence the story. Clear agenda to get people frothing.

Diana, there is a big difference between a motorised scooter and a wheelchair (even an electric one). Scooters are generally for people with some level of mobility around the house or across short distances who can get on or off relatively unaided. Long term wheelchair use is normally for people who have no mobility unaided and either need assistance to get out or can do it with their arms alone.

Looks like she is in a motorised wheelchair and they do call it that. Remember this is the Mirror too and they're very left wing. Their angle is criticising the authorities, not the patient.

DTSMUMBO, the NHS treated the daughter for a month before she reached the point where she was ready for discharge. On any interpretation, she has to have had a serious condition. How does that equate to a scam? Do you seriously believe that, with a serious illness, they risked their home and travelled to Barnet just on the off-chance they would get a holiday there? Does it occur to you that, for instance, they may have been sent there by their local hospital?

The fact that the daughter is now doing a college course in Barnet is a matter of considerable credit to her, given her difficulties, and probably reflects the fact that they have no home in Grimsby and no realistic prospect of getting one. It doesn't necessarily mean that they have no long term intention to leave the area - it may be a one year course, or it may be one that is transferable to another college.

Where does the report say the hospital has refused to involve Barnet? I suspect the hospital don't care where they go so long as they can satisfy themselves that it is appropriate accommodation.

There is obviously much more to this than is reported. Noone chooses to live in a hospital even if there is a bed, chair, tv and sink in it!

This happens all the time in Mental health - vulnerable people are fit for discharge but there is no housing for them and it is not unusual for them to stay in hospital for months even a year while waiting for housing. A massive waste of resources.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/06/depressed-poor-housing-costs-nhs-14bn-year

Much more likely that Barnet consider them "ordinarily resident" in Grimsby and therefore have no liability to them.

They call her wheelchair a "motorised scooter" in the article, and a wheelchair under the photo.

Oh didn't think of that Luggs, could well have been nearest hospital when she was taken ill.

It could be a specialist hospital. I think the National Orthopaedic is in Barnet.

Grants from central government to councils have been reduced by 49.1 per cent in real terms over the period 2010-11 to 2017-18, making local authorities the most squeezed of all areas of state activity under the austerity programme of this Tory government.

This is where the fault lies ^.

NC'd to the real me.

To be fair DPOW is a great little hospital. I need to go every 3 weeks and I have always had excellent treatment. The town is small enough for you to know some of the staff or bump into them in Tesco.

Grimsby/Cleethorpes/Immingham are lovely towns. Yes they have their poor areas like all towns.

I Imagine there are more facilities in Barnet, London, so she wants to be placed there. i thinks she's playing the system.

@DTSMUMBOJO yes I know that was my point.

In the third paragraph it says ‘Ruth, who uses a motorised scooter...’

NHS could help by updating the prescription forms.

From another thread.

@FadedRed
Does it address the issue of people on UC being unable to get the free prescriptions they are entitled to, and being sent demands for payments of charges and fines because the DSS and the NHS Payments dept haven't managed to get the system right? People who are on UC because of chronic health problems, so more likely to need vital medications are having to choose not taking their medication versus continual harassment by debt collections firms for non payments of charges and fines they should not be liable to in the first place.
Disgraceful.

How can you 'engineer' a month long hospital stay at a hospital three hours away from where you live?

What, exactly, are the posters insinuating that assuming this family did? Did the mother take her daughter to London and toss her down a flight of stairs and hope for the best?

Lob them out. I remember reading of a similar case where the hospital concerned applied to the courts for an eviction order !

One minute poorer people are seen to be thick

The next they are master criminals

Frequency obviously not the length of stay but I have known of patients who have deliberately presented at a specific hospital for reasons (reasons vary), so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd 'engineered' going to that hospital. May have been for legitimate reasons (family support near by, specialist in the area required, specific consultant, bad experience at local hospital and good rep of barnet etc). If it wasn't an emergency admission it's very possible to do. Thing is none of us know why they are in Barnet!

Very sad story, wonder where the father is in all this.

I've only just read the news article and realised I went to school with her its a motorised wheelchair, well, it was a longgggg time ago

@Helena. When I applied for free prescriptions it was quick and hassle free. I suspect some application forms were not completed properly if the first place.

I think you are placing fear in those who use the system. It is your opinion and you should make that clear. You can find as many links as you want from the Guardian, they are the ones that have gone wrong, not the thousands that have gone right.