Would you really say this women has to pee in the mens toilets?

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There is so many threads on mumsnet about how transwomen should not be allowed in womens bathrooms because of the threat of attack ect. KNow I have someone very close in my family who is transgender (FTM) they pass as a man easily, so when these threads come up i always relate them to him, if he was to walk into a womens bathroom people would think it was extremly wrong, but thats what people are suggesting because hes chromosones say hes a women. I do understand the argument of a transwomen who dosent pass as a women atall to no use the womens toliets, but it seems to me that people seem to think that evrey transwomen wont pass. SO attached i have a picture of a youtuber who is trans, would you really see her be put in a mens toliets, that wouls surely plass her in a lot of danger.
Or do you think she should still use the mens. I'm genuilly intrested. Ive name changed recently and done another thread on a simal topic that got no replies. I just want to see were your argument lies

@RatRolyPoly That transcrime website is the worst thing I've ever seen on MN. That anyone can signpost others to it with a straight face is beyond me, but at least it makes one's agenda clear

Been on the t'interweb long enough to know not to just click on random links on here, so am with you on that one! Not going to click, as it's going to be biased. Might come as a shock to a lot but I used to post a bit GC when first finding out about it all, read BOTH sides though and came to my own conclusions. Which I think a lot should do on here instead of blindly listening and therefore becoming scared.

Not going to click as it's going to be biased...the irony!

Hmm so you cant disagree as reading facts is biased? Ok.

Can you tell us then why you feel its a trans right to remove sex segregation?

Once you realise that 98% of narcissists will lie to get you to believe their view points and that 92% of all of their statistics are made up - it’s quite easy to sift through the bullshit and come to your own conclusions. Just a shame mumsnet mainly only shows one type of ‘feminist’ now, I used to love those boards.

I've never linked to any articles, it stands to reason anyone linking to any here it's going to be biased.
Which is why I read what's on here, and go and research and look around outside of here. To get a balanced view of both sides.

Just a shame mumsnet mainly only shows one type of ‘feminist’ now, I used to love those boards

I'll agree with that, be the "right" type of feminist or be hounded off or ridiculed.

the stats also include cross dressers and not just based on ‘legally defined’ trans people. As I say though you cannot judge a whole community by the bad people inside it

Umm have you not been keeping up with the changes? Cross dressers, fetishists, adult babies etc in fact a whole load of people you wouldn't normally say were legally trans.
Have a look on stone wall site, they are the definitive source.

So in your balanced view, why is it a trans right to remove sex segregation for all?

Which I think a lot should do on here instead of blindly listening and therefore becoming scared.

Yet you blindly refuse to read the evidence presented to you. Oh the irony 🤔😂. Think you should certainly do a lot more thinking and reading before trying to persuade others you are right. Which you're not.

Cross dressers, fetishists, adult babies etc in fact a whole load of people you wouldn't normally say were legally trans.
Have a look on stone wall site, they are the definitive source.

Yep this. It's a problem isn't it. When anyone can simply self ID into womanhood and take the rights that go alongside that.

I'll agree with that, be the "right" type of feminist or be hounded off or ridiculed.

So be the type of feminist that explains why a man, who says he is a woman, and automatically becomes no threat to women.

How does this happen? What is the mechanism that deems these transwomen automatically so trustworthy that we can ignore any and all segregation that is provided to keep women and girls safe.

If it is so simple, why can nobody explain it?

Yet you blindly refuse to read the evidence presented to you. Oh the irony

Because I have read enough threads on trans to know that some DO have a problem with transwomen in general and have even come out and said as much.
So no, I'm not blindly clicking on links on MN as it's clear there's a lot with agendas. From BOTH sides.

Not going to click, as it's going to be biased. Might come as a shock to a lot but I used to post a bit GC when first finding out about it all, read BOTH sides though and came to my own conclusions.

Have you directly contradicted yourself

I like to read both sides

I dont agree with everything the GC feminists say on here...or posters such as yourself

But i do read everything

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So Verbeena can you explain why its a trans right to remove sex segregation?

Its really strange but in all the hundreds of times Ive asked that, no ones ever answered

Been on the t'interweb long enough to know not to just click on random links on here, so am with you on that one! Not going to click, as it's going to be biased. Might come as a shock to a lot but I used to post a bit GC when first finding out about it all, read BOTH sides though and came to my own conclusions. Which I think a lot should do on here instead of blindly listening and therefore becoming scared

Ok if you don't want to click on links which even though you can see half the links name and know it was the official BBC website, have a hunt around the government's own website the office for national statistics.
Won't link for you, pointless, so you will have to trawl through some info,. But it's all there black and white impeccable source.

Because I have read enough threads on trans to know that some DO have a problem with transwomen in general

As far as I can see this is about removing womens' and girls' rights, not about having a 'problem' with transwomen - who incidentally are men and we still don't know how they automatically become no threat to women and girls once they say the magic words. The problem is the mahoosive threat that still exists, not about them being 'trans'.

Not going to click, as it's going to be biased. Might come as a shock to a lot but I used to post a bit GC when first finding out about it all, read BOTH sides though and came to my own conclusions.

Have you directly contradicted yourself I like to read both sides I dont agree with everything the GC feminists say on here...or posters such as yourself But i do read everything

Yeah, so do I. Outside of here too. All I'm saying is don't just rely on the feminism board is there is a massive echo chamber in there if you don't agree.
Didn't see it before when posting GC but learn a bit more and read both sides and you see how bad it is.

But even leaving aside the fact that 46 attacks on women and girls in the toilets is 46 attacks too many, the stats don't include (because they can't)

• attacks that were not reported
• attacks that were reported but didn't make their way into the crime stats
• occasions when women were intimidated or otherwise made to feel uncomfortable (not a crime, unless it happens repeatedly)
• voyeurism where the victim is unaware it has happened
• occasions where women quickly left the facilities, or decided not to use them because they were aware that a male bodied person was using them

And so on, and so on

Why is any of this OK? Because men say so?

All I'm saying is don't just rely on the feminism board is there is a massive echo chamber in there if you don't agree

You are free on any board, to explain your rationale and how this actually poses no threats to women.

Feel free.

There's just no logic to the trans ideology. Transwomen are at risk from male danger in male toilets so we have to let all males use female toilets too.

It makes no sense.

Verbeena - can you recommend some other sources / discussion boards? Genuine question - I like to read widely too (I was reading both the Telegraph and the Guardian long before one become a woke sell-out)

It makes no sense.

It evidently makes sense to some people. They are just keeping their thoughts to themselves as it is a secret how they came to this conclusion.

So why not share what you learmt, Verbeena?

Tell us why its a trans right to remove sex segregation for women.

You cant, can you?

I too read both sides, and one has no answer other than name calling.

No I bloody wouldn't. She's a woman and can have a piss in the ladies.