Mmr and links to austim

[Michelle38wales]

Do you think there’s a link with mmr and austim, I’ve already 3 children with austim so not sure about my baby having it

No. Autism has a genetic link. We just don't know exactly what genes are responsible yet.

Marie Stopes: she was pro-eugenics, that’s what drove her to provide abortion services for the great unwashed. Stop the plebs and degenerates outbreeding the naice people. It was something a lot of Victorians worried about.

Sorry, contraception services not abortion services.

Wikipedia:

“it is just as much the aim of Constructive Birth Control to secure conception to those married people who are healthy, childless, and desire children, as it is to furnish security from conception to those who are racially diseased, already overburdened with children, or in any specific way unfitted for parenthood."[68] Stopes advocated the compulsory sterilisation of those she considered unfit for parenthood in 1918 and in 1921.

Urgh.

I'm 48 and autistic and I can safely say that I never had the MMR.

Andrew Wakefield is an utter disgrace and is responsible for god knows how many deaths in the future as the Americans in particular are paranoid about vaccines and autism. Anyone fancy a bit of polio returning to the west?

The anti vaxxers will crush people underfoot in the rush to get their little darlings to the vaccination clinic then.

I did a lot and of research into this before choosing to give my children the MMR about 8 years ago. My father has asd and I was worried the MMR would trigger it in my children. From memory, most vaccines include a heavy metal to help trigger an immune response. There is a school of thought that some children have trouble getting the heavy metal out of the system and it’s this which can trigger the autism. BUT my research also showed that the original MMR had a certain heavy metal, and then after there was a lot of concern about it triggering autism, they changed the heavy metal to a different heavy metal and I think the cases declined.
I did give my children the MMR - but I just chose to give them the MMR by itself (I think at the time the nurse wanted to give a few other vaccines at the same time.)
My son does have asd - but his eye contact was non existent before the MMR and I don’t believe it was linked to this.
I have recently being doing a brushing technique on my son (as guided by a therapist) as it’s believed his infant reflexes did not go dormant. His eye contact is now normal - although he still has other asd traits such as being literal.
Good luck with your baby x

The link to MMR came along initially because symptoms were first noticed about the age children had the injection. That is nothing to do with the injection and more to do with development norms and a child failing to reach them in some way.
There is a definite genetic link but that is more likely to be a predisposition than an actual cause.

Marie Stopes (along with Winston Churchill) was a eugenecist who anted to prevent people with certain characteristics reproducing. She was most definitely not a supporter of women’s rights - although unintentionally improved the lives of many women. She wanted to restrict breeding by certain groups to improve the societal gene pool.

Whilst many disabled people add much to society individually and a community that supports and cares for its disabled members has to be a better place for all, there are few who would actively seek to have a disabled child. Not vaccinating presents a risk of consciously increasing the risk of severe disability or death (albeit a relatively small risk) that is far higher than the risk of a reaction to the vaccination.

No link to mmr but there is a major genetic component plus those with siblings already diagnosed are more likely to access specialists for early diagnosis. Dd1 is autistic, there's no doubt so is dh, but high functioning autism wasn't recognised when we were young (and why bother going through diagnosis when there's no "cure" anyway). We have 3 friends from university with autistic kids, when you think about their dads (really good friends) they are socially awkward and again like dh probably on the spectrum.

Of course I will never know but dd was not making sounds (other than crying) pre mmr either, in fact she was 4 before she bothered to speak more than yelling one word at us - but spoke in sentences within a few weeks of linking first words, and could already read fluently we discovered.

Please try not to worry, but of a rollercoaster but she's at university now!

Btw their paediatrician delayed dd2's mmr to 2 just in case because dd1 was diagnosed with autism at 2.5 just as mmr was coming up for dd2, his decision not mine, but this was the early 00's and he felt caution was warranted. (In USA)

My Ds2 had fits at three weeks old. We didn't have the MMR at the time as the GP couldn't guarantee 100 percent that he wouldn't fit again after the jabs.
He eventually had the MMR at 15 because there was a huge Measles epidemic where he lives and I didn't want him getting it.

Oh and I forgot to add his autism wasn't diagnosed until he was 12.

Op Still did not come back.

Surprise.

There is no link. That has been categorically researched and debunked. My son has autism and he had mmr. He did have a regression around the time of vaccines but looking back there were subtle signs of autism before that. My mum said from about 4/5 months old that there was something different about him.

This stupid thread still going? Has the op had their goad and left? Does the op have their DM story now?

I I’ve not lost my goad at all, why would I when asking a question on support and advice for my child, people Are quick to judge when asking for support and looking for help along side asking about the mmr you can see my worry as a mother, what I’ve decided to do is talk to my heath vistor and have a chat with her and voice my concerns as a mother we all have a freedom of speech but I find people can be very opinionated inside of have you thought of doing it this way this could be a better idea thanks

20 years ago this was written.

20 YEARS.

That is 20 years of actively looking for a link and not finding one.

Why do people still give this shit brain space?

you can see my worry as a mother,

We can’t really. BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT! There are SO many things you have to worry about as a parent - why, oh why are you giving head-space to something which has been completely and utterly discredited?

@Michelle38wales

Of course we all understand that parents worry about doing what's best for their children. But you asked if we "thought" there was a link between MMR and autism. And the answer has been given loud and clear that scientifically it has been shown that there is no link. Its an issue that parents don't need to give head room to because there is simply no evidence that there is any causal link.

There is so much in life that parents can get anxious about and hopefully MN can support you through those issues. But MMR and autism is not one of those.

People (like me) are responsing vehemently because we are so angry that bad science and totally irresponsible reporting has led to a situation where parents are not vaccinating their children. This is dangerous - both to the child and to the rest of the population. It's old 'news', its been refuted, it shouldn't be being discussed. End of.

Sorry but it came from you or their father, not mmr. They are born autistic, they don't become autistic through any means. Blame your genes, not a vaccine.

@Santaclarita using the word "blame" with reference to autism is at best unhelpful and for many, offensive.

"I’m pregnant at the moment and so I think that there is a high chance that this child will have either autism or ASD because of my crappy genetics but it is what it is."

Wow.

As an autistic person, may I just say thank you? I really hope my mum doesn't think it was her 'crappy genetics' were responsible for making me the person I am.

Threads like these are just an excuse for mumsnetters to show how intellectually superior they are.

Incidentally, I'm in my late 30s, so too old to have received the MMR (although I was vaccinated as a child).

I do believe that autism has a genetic proponent - I have at least ten family members who display ASD traits, four of whom have a formal diagnosis (myself included).

I should have made it clearer that I objected to the phrase 'crappy genetics'. 'Genetics' would have worked just fine in this instance.

I think that anyone refusing to allow their child the protection of MMR should have their ability to be a proper parent severely questioned.
It's about the same as refusing them a helmet when cycling.

No. I have 2 DC. Eldest has autism & showed signs from 18months but didn’t have the MMR until much later (4yrs old). Youngest had MMR at recommended times and is NT.