Mmr and links to austim

[Michelle38wales]

Do you think there’s a link with mmr and austim, I’ve already 3 children with austim so not sure about my baby having it

Andrew Wakefield should be in prison.

There is no link. Typically developing children begin to show obvious development of joint attention around the time of the mmr vaccine whereas that may not happen with children with asc.
So it might look like the vaccine caused it but it was just that the different developmental path has become more obvious.

No because there isn’t and never was.

I can’t believe some people even still think this.

I’m too scared to post my views on here. My dd had a severe reaction to the MMR and ended up in hospital. Both my dd’s are vaccinated.

I beleive Autism can be caused by many things, I also beleive that it’s often genetic (but not always), most are born with it but not all.

im not going to say anymore as I will likely be flamed.

OP, this isn’t the best place to discuss not vaccinating your child.

No, I don’t think there’s a link.

I think it’s far more likely to be genetics, given you have 3 DC with autism.
When DS1 was diagnosed with autism, his paediatrician offered him a genetics test, and advised us that any other children we might have would have an increased chance of having ASD, because of possible genetic links.

No there's not.

No, and measles is more than a bit of a rash.

Anecdotally, I am noticing a big decline in uptake of vaccinations at the moment in the circles I mix in (or rather, the circles I might have been mixing in - it really does put me off).
It's depressing for sure.

I don’t believe their is any link.

But even if there was the choice between a child dying or a preventable disease or the risk of autism? No brainer isn’t it (and I say that as the Mum of an autistic child)

No.

But there is a genetic link.

Get the vaccine.

My dh has autism and didn't have the vaccine
My ds1 and ds5 have autism and were showing symptoms before the mmr.

There are risks with vaccines as nothing is risk free but the risks of complications from having measles, mumps and rubella are significantly higher.

no course not

its more likely genetics than anything else

Andrew Wakefield should be in prison.

Agreed

I don't think there's a link between MMR and ASD, but I do think that ASD is genetic.

Yabvvu to even bring this up. Ridiculous. Please read the studies linked and educate yourself before posting such a goady thread.

OP... are you asking because of this which is doing the rounds on facebook at the moment ?

No. In my DH’s family there are 3 diagnosed with ADD/dyspraxia and at least three more who would probably diagnosed but do not want to be assessed. The youngest of these is mid thirties. I cannot remember exactly when MMR was introduced as a vaccine but I do know that none of the ILs have had it.

My two DC had MMR vaccine and neither of them have been badly affected by it. One shows very mild traits that are exactly like her DGM. I am 100% certain that is not related to MMR vaccine, particularly as MIL did not have that vaccine.

As others have said, Andrew Wakefield should be in prison for the damage that he has caused, and continues to cause by peddling his lies in other countries.

There is no link. Stop spreading myths. Vaccinate your 4th child as you already know autism isn’t as bad as death.

Please read the studies linked and educate yourself

I don't think you even need to go that far.

It's a choice between:

A: The position adopted by most governments worldwide, the NHS, scientific opinion.

or

B: Some randomers on the internet.

This shouldn't be a 'do you think...' question. It's not a matter of opinion- there is one very basic hard and fast fact, and then there are a minority of people with bizarre but varied motivations (tin foil hats, believing that the world conspires against the health of its people, etc.) who steadfastly try to convince others that they can form an 'opinion'.

'Opinions' are things like 'celery is disgusting' or 'taxes should be higher for corporations'- things where there is no one definite answer and it depends upon an individual's perspective or priorities. 'Andrew Wakefield is an evil scheming fraudster' is an opinion.

'Facts' are things like 'the Earth is a sphere' or 'a metre is 39.4 inches' or 'antibiotics can be useful to cure many bacterial infections' or 'vaccines save far more lives than they risk'. 'Andrew Wakefield and the associated claims that have been made about the MMR vaccine causing autism are utterly without evidence' is fact.

Based on the hundreds (possibly even thousands) of pieces of research that have resulted from the MMR palaver, we can now also add 'the MMR vaccine does not cause autism' to the lists of facts.

That's how science works- we identify truths. 'Research' is not something that happens on google. It is something that happens in labs by doctors and academics, whose motivations are their love of science and finding facts, and ideally also saving lives.

A lot of the ridiculous tin hat nonsense about big pharma wanting to give everyone autism comes from the USA. They're in a bit of a weird situation where their healthcare system is less altruistic and more about money, so some individuals are more likely to become suspicious. They forget that the medical world does not all happen in America, and it's not all a big secret society.

But anyway...

EVEN if it did cause autism (which it DOESN'T, for God's sake), who on Earth would think that autism is worse than death? Seriously? Is that the message we want autistic people to hear- we'd rather our children develop a life-threatening disease than have their condition?

I am mildly autistic, and I'm very happy that way. I would not be happy with having measles, mumps or rubella, thanks.

I would say its genetic as I have 10 people in my family with autism one of them being my son who had the mmr along with his sister and I would do the same again.

Yeah totes.

All the autistic folk pre-mmr actually time travelled into the future, had the vaccine, caught the autism, then travelled back to their own time.

If only we'd known then what we know now - that many people think death is preferable to autism.

Oh! Is that our Mandy in back in action, thenightsky ?

That woman is an out and out fraud! As so many countries have proven...

edition.channel5belize.com/archives/161795

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bogus-cancer-doctor-who-preys-12121865

No. There is no link. Regardless of what anybody " thinks" or " believes".

I think of this being a bit like someone saying 'strawberry scented air fresheners cause brake failure in cars' and for some reason (perhaps fear of brake failure) people start believing it.

Doesn't matter than all the mechanics say 'no, strawberry scented air fresheners are safe, actually brake failure is due to these other things...'- no, people still claim it's the air freshener, and think the mechanics just want their brakes to fail to drum up business.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But really, although it's silly, it's the same thing happening.