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MNHQ- please address the anti Irish sentiment present on Mumsnet and in your talk guidelines

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IStandWithPosie · 03/11/2018 11:03

It has become glaringly apparent there is a persistent and growing anti Irish sentiment present on Mumsnet in recent years. Not only that but the stance Mumsnet HQ have taken when made aware of the racially offensive posts has been totally inadequate. Repeated calls by Irish Mumsnet users to remove such posts and to take a stand against them have been ignored by Mumsnet HQ. This is in direct contrast to the way those with other protected characteristics have been listened to and had their reports acted upon in such a way as to leave many Mumsnet users afraid to post for fear of deletion or permanent banning. Which has happened. In light of this we are asking that all staff at Mumsnet HQ take meaningful steps to improve awareness of what anti-Irish sentiments are and the types of unacceptable posts we’re complaining about. A review of the posts that have been reported as racist would be a good starting point, and a measure of what mumsnet members collectively consider to be offensive. We also ask that talk guidelines are applied consistently across the forum for all protected characteristics and that racist posts towards or about Irish people are removed immediately.

Furthermore, Mumsnet HQ have asserted their their intention to knowingly continue to use racially offensive language in their talk guidelines The phrase “beyond the pale” dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. The phrase is rooted in the oppression of the Irish people by the English ruling classes and is offensive to Irish people. Mumsnet HQ have been asked by Irish Mumsnet users to remove this phrase from their talk guidelines. Mumsnet HQ have refused stating “there seems to be a general consensus among etymology types that it’s an idiom which has long evolved from its offensive historical context.” This completely disregards the information Mumsnet HQ have that confirm that Irish people themselves find it offensive.
We are asking Mumsnet HQ to apologise for the offense caused by their use of this inappropriate phrase and to remove it from their talk guidelines.

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JeanPagett · 06/11/2018 15:19

I can't use Scottish banknotes either. I really don't think that's as bad as the racism suffered by black people. I cannot see how the two are in the slightest bit comparable. Nor I imagine could Stephen Lawrence's mother tbh.

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:20

Tell that to the family of the Quinn boys, Jean.

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:24

I actually can't believe you just said that Jean and am absolutely disgusted.

Stephen Lawrence's murder is to be condemned absolutely.

For you to say that the deaths of thousands of people in the Troubles are "not in the slightest bit comparable" is completely and utterly offensive beyond belief. I can't actually believe you have actually typed those words and can't see what is wrong with them.

BishBoshBashBop · 06/11/2018 15:24

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Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:25

On both sides, yes, I condemn absolutely the violence on both sides.

Winterbella · 06/11/2018 15:28

BishBoshBashBop whats that got to do with Giants point?
JeanPagett your comments are disgusting!

IStandWithPosie · 06/11/2018 15:29

but assuming it happened to you because you were travelling on an Irish passport seems quite an allegation.

Because that would never happen? Hmm

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JeanPagett · 06/11/2018 15:31

I said that Irish banknotes not being accepted in the Uk wasn't comparable to racism suffered by black people. Not that deaths during the troubles weren't an appalling tragedy.

The man who killed the Quinn brothers was Irish himself. I'm not sure how that awful tragedy 20 years ago is evidence of current systemic discrimination against Irish people in the UK today.

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:33

Well, how long ago did Stephen Lawrence die? If he is relevant, why aren't the Quinn boys?

You disgust me Jean.

Noviceoftheweek · 06/11/2018 15:35

Giantbanger I abhor all violence and have the greatest sympathy and respect for those who suffered during the Troubles. That goes without saying.

Noviceoftheweek · 06/11/2018 15:36

Giantbanger

JeanPagett · 06/11/2018 15:38

You're right Stephen Lawrence's death was quite some time ago, it was a poor example. The death of any child is a tragedy.

I genuinely believe people of colour suffer greater discrimination and injustice than Irish people. Clearly you disagree with that viewpoint. I'll bow out of this thread now.

IStandWithPosie · 06/11/2018 15:40

This thread is a great lesson in minimising. Really top work here.

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Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:43

I am absolutely stunned at the anti-Irish sentiment and minimising of racism towards the Irish that has just happened on this thread. And the minimising of deaths.

I am completely and utterly at a loss to know how to debate with people who hold such abhorrent views as have been allowed to stand here today.

BishBoshBashBop · 06/11/2018 15:44

BishBoshBashBopwhats that got to do with Giants point?

Of course it's relevant or are you saying only lives on one 'side' matter? I lost family in the Troubles.

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:45

The death of the Quinn boys was absolutely 100% to do with their race and ethnicity as Irish catholics. No one, literally no one disputes that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_brothers%27_killings

IT was done by the UVF, and no member of the UVF to my knowledge and in my esperience would ever ever identify as Irish as Jean claimed them to be.

FFS.

LadyGregorysToothbrush · 06/11/2018 15:47

I genuinely believe people of colour suffer greater discrimination and injustice than Irish people. Clearly you disagree with that viewpoint. I'll bow out of this thread now.

I don’t think anyone on this thread has suggested the above. Can you point to where that has occurred?

LadyGregorysToothbrush · 06/11/2018 15:48

In case that’s not clear, I don’t think anyone on this thread has suggested that Irish people suffer worse racism than people of colour.

It’s not a competition.

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 15:48

Please can people STOP calling me gangbanger. It's already been used at me on another thread and it isn't my name.

My name refers to a big firework that was set off outside just before Halloween and I thought of it when I was name changing, that is all.

I am really done I can't believe what has been said on this thread.

My name is GIANT BANGER big firework banger being a firework and a very loud one being a giant one.

FFS.

Winterbella · 06/11/2018 16:01

BishBoshBashBop It didn't need saying that's my point by you saying this you infer that Giant was somehow taking sides. In your haste you're turning a discussion about racism into something else which is ultimately more divisive.

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 16:03

I have NEVER said anything that in any way said I was taking sides on what happened in the Troubles. Never. I unreservedly condemn violence on both sides. (I have already said this, I shall say it again for the record)

BishBoshBashBop · 06/11/2018 16:04

BishBoshBashBopIt didn't need saying that's my point

Sorry but you don't police what is discussed. Giant agreed with me. I'm also not turning the thread into anything.

It was one comment. It is you that is making it into something else.

Winterbella · 06/11/2018 16:04

That's my point Giant that's not up for debate at all

Winterbella · 06/11/2018 16:06

you were goading

Giantbanger · 06/11/2018 16:08

You inferred something about me that was baseless and without foundation.