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AIBU to ignore neighbours’ complaint?

242 replies

Zitouna · 21/10/2018 19:29

We are currently living in a short term rental flat, while our house is being renovated. It was supposed to be for 6 months, but builders’ delays mean it will be 8 months by the time we move out (in 6 weeks).

We have a 7 month old baby - he’s had Colic, reflux, CMPA etc. Despite this he slept pretty well until 4 months. But these days he goes down reliably at 7, then has a couple of feeds overnight and screams when winding, as well as some crying wakings in between where we put the dummy in. For the past week or so those wakings have often led to prolonged howling, where nothing works to comfort him, for 1-2 hours (he’s got a cold, maybe teething).

Last week our downstairs neighbours (directly below) buzzed the flat to ask to come up for a chat one evening. I asked what about, and they said they were having disturbed nights because of the baby noise. I said that i was sorry and was doing my best to calm him, but there really wasn’t anything more I could do. Obviously we would prefer him to sleep through and that the crying kept us up too.

Neighbour replied that ‘they didn’t ask to have this inflicted on them’ and that they were having to go away this weekend ‘for some respite’. I asked whether she would like me to leave the flat overnight with the baby, as aside from that, there really wasn’t anything I could do. I told them we were moving out in 6 weeks. I said I didn’t see the point in their coming up to discuss it, and I would send my husband down to talk to them when he got home. In fact, he decided there was no point in talking to them about it, so we’ve both just ignored them and done nothing further.

I really can’t do anything to reduce the noise (there’s nowhere else in the flat that the cot can go apart from in our bedroom) unless anyone has a miracle baby sleep solution...

So...AIBU to completely ignore the neighbours now or should we communicate with them in some way? And AIBU to say there isn’t anything we can do about the noise? Fair to say that the situation has added to my sleep-deprived stress levels and made me feel even more rubbish...

OP posts:
VelvetReVulva · 22/10/2018 09:47

MakeAHouseAHome ha, there are books that explain where you came from, it might illuminate a few things for you Grin

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 22/10/2018 09:47

Those of you saying they need to get a grip etc would you so accommodating if your neighbours dog was barking a lot of the time? Or they played loud music all through the night? It wouldn't get you down or get on your nerves? Being kept awake so much.

Hmm
Greyponcho · 22/10/2018 09:53

would you so accommodating if your neighbours dog was barking a lot of the time?
Not exactly comparable tbh, is it.
They, too, were babies once and probably cried. Who complained about them crying, huh?

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 22/10/2018 10:04

Of course it's comparable. It's unwanted noise. The least the OP could and should do is talk to them, they probably would be somewhat understanding in the knowledge that the OP was doing everything possible to keep him quiet and that he wasn't just being left in his cot to scream while his parents were passed out from exhaustion.

justfloatingpast · 22/10/2018 10:14

"they need to get a grip."

Are neighbours not allowed talk to each other anymore in order to try and resolve situations. This couple did not send the OP a snooty note, they did not accost her on the stairs to complain about her baby, they did not bang on her door demanding she do something, they did not bang on the floor or ceiling when the noise was being made, they did not go bitching about her to the landlord before checking up on the situation.

They did her the courtesy of going outside, and ringing her doorbell in order to request that they could come up and discuss the situation. The OP started to argue with them through the intercom, refused to continue the discussion and then her husband also refused to go up and talk with them.

They also waited several months before even raising the issue.

Yet they're being slagged off, called twats etc. Very unfair.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/10/2018 10:19

YANBU. Will the best will in the world you can't prevent a baby from crying.
I take it there kids came out as little Oxford Graduates and could verbally communicate the second they came of of utero so never has to cry.Hmm
Fair enough I get it can be annoying.
However its a baby. They cry wee poop. What do they expect. Not only that but Its stessfull enough it itself without those idiots adding to it.

Linked0ut · 22/10/2018 10:21

I think they're being unreasonable.

I have put up with my neighbour's dogs barking for 6 years and worse, their back door slamming shut late at night when they let their dogs in and out and I've said nothing. A baby grows up! What do they think you could do.

justfloatingpast · 22/10/2018 10:25

Well maybe that's what they wanted to discuss Linkedout.
Could the baby be brought into a different room, could some kind of soundproofing/rugs on floor etc held the situation, and so on. There's no evidence at all that they were planning to march into her flat and demand that she 'shut that baby up once and for all'. Just that they wanted to understand the situation and look at options. Already, from this thread, the OP has seen various things she could try to alleviate the situation.

Thebluedog · 22/10/2018 10:26

I feel for you OP, what an awful situation

I’m not sure what your neighbours expect you to do. It’s not like you are leaving the dc to cry and howl, equally it’s not great to be woken by a screaming baby.

For those who are saying it’s comparewble to a barking dog or loud music, of course it’s not. Dogs can be kept quiet, especially at night, a bit of attention does it, and music can be turned down. A baby, as a lot of us know, sometimes won’t settle

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 22/10/2018 10:26

"What do they expect?"

Maybe that one of the parents will talk to them and let them know they are doing everything they can to stop him crying, that they are leaving in 6 weeks and give them a bottle of wine or a box of chocolates in a way of keeping the peace.

I'm sure they will be accommodating and even sympathetic in that case rather than being ignored.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/10/2018 10:28

Their not there

klondike555 · 22/10/2018 10:28

Why do some people think neighbours should tolerate noise just because it came from a baby!? They haven't chosen to have a child... you have. People whinge about dogs barking left right and centre. Apparently that is not tolerable (and I agree it isn't) but babies crying should be tolerated (erm NO!)

I agree.

The neighbour tried to do the decent thing by talking to you directly about it. You didn't even do them the basic courtesy of engaging with them about the problem you are causing them.

It's no wonder people skip straight to contacting the relevant authorities in situations like this instead.

SD1978 · 22/10/2018 10:32

A little empathy goes a long way. You understand, however there is nothing further you can do, and the noise is stressful for you too. Just ignoring them seems a little rude. Are they aware this is only for a few more weeks? Ultimately no. There is nothing you can do. It won't magically stop just because someone else is aware, but I can imagine it has been hard if this is every night and during the days for several months for your neighbours and for you.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 22/10/2018 10:38

Have you ever read the Baby Whisperer's guide on understanding what your baby's different cries mean? I remember one night DS2 just would not stop crying and I was at the end of my rope. I read the bit in the BW book about the different cries, and it said he was too cold. I put a blanket on him, he gave me a look that said, "FINALLY!", stopped crying and went to sleep.

Just posting it here in case it helps you in the middle of the night!

From Secrets of the Baby Whisperer p.86-88

Tired or overtired
Listen:
Starts as cranky irregular frequency fussing but if not stopped quickly escalates to an overtired cry: first 3 short wails followed by a hard cry, then 2 short breaths and a longer, even louder cry. Usually they cry and cry and if left alone will fall asleep.
Observe:
Blinks, yawns. If not put to bed, physical signs can include back arching, legs kicking and arms flailing, may grab own ears or cheeks and scratch face (a reflex); if you are holding him, squirms and tries to turn into your body. If he continues to cry his face will become bright red.

Of all the cries, this is the most often misinterpreted for hunger. Therefore pay close attention to when it occurs. It may come after playtime or after someone has been cooing at baby. Squirming is often mistaken for colic.

Overstimulated
Listen:
Long hard cry. Similar to overtired.
Observe:
Arms and legs flail; turns head away from light; will turn away from anyone trying to play with him.
Usually comes when baby has had enough playing an adult keeps trying to amuse him.

Needs a change of scene
Listen:
Cranky fussing that starts with noises of annoyance rather than outright cries.
Observe:
Turns away from object placed before her; plays with fingers
If it gets worse when you change position then she might be tired and needs a nap.

Pain/Wind
Listen:
Unmistakable shrill high-pitched scream that comes without warning; may hold breaths between wails and start again.
Observe:
Whole body tenses and become rigid, which perpetuates the cycle, because the air can’t pass; pulls knees upward to chest, face is scrunched in an expression of pain, tongue wiggles upward, like a little lizard.
All newborns swallow air, which can cause wind. Throughout the day you’ll hear a tiny, squeaky wincing sound in the back of the throat – that’s air swallowing. Wind can also be caused by irregular feeding patterns.

Hunger
Listen:
Slight cough-like sound in the back of the throat; then out comes the first cry. It short to begin with then more steady: waa, waa, waa rhythm.
Observe:
Baby starts to subtly lick her lips and then ‘root’ – tongue starts coming out and turns head to side; pulls fist toward mouth.
The best way to discern hunger is look at when baby last ate. If she’s on EASY it removes some the guesswork.

Too cold
Listen:
Full-out crying with bottom lip quivering.
Observe:
Tiny goose bumps on skin; may shiver; cold extremities; skin can sometimes have a bluish tinge.
Can happen with a newborn after a bath or when you’re changing and dressing her.

Too hot
Listen:
Fussy whine that sounds more like panting, low at first, about five minutes; if left alone will eventually launch into a cry.
Observe:
Feels hot and sweaty; flushed; pants instead of breathing regularly; may see red blotchiness on baby’s face and upper torso.
Different from fever in that cry is similar to a pain cry; skin is dry, not clammy. (Take temperature to be sure)

Where’d you go? I need a cuddle
Listen:
Cooing sounds suddenly turns into short "waas" that sound like a kitten; crying disappears the minute baby is picked up.
Observe:
Looks around, trying to find you.
If you catch this straight away you may not need to pick baby up (pat on back, soft words of reassurance).

Overfeeding
Listen:
Fussing, even crying after a meal.
Observe:
Spits up frequently
This often occurs when sleepiness and overstimulation are mistaken for hunger.

Bowel movement
Listen:
Grunts or cries when feeding
Observe:
Squirms and bears down; stops nursing; has bowel movement.
May be mistaken for hunger. Mum often thinks she’s ‘doing something wrong’.

themuttsnutts · 22/10/2018 10:40

Yanbu. They have been slightly confrontational in their approach, saying it's been 'inflicted on them' and trying to make them feel guilty by saying they 'have to go away.' This would put my back right up, too, and I wouldn't see them responding to reason. They would just rant if given the opportunity.

Yes, I guess it is disruptive for them but they at least have the wall as a bit of a filter. It wouldn't occur to me either to complain as they don't have an off switch. If it were disturbing me, I'd find a way of problem solving it myself via ear plugs etc

easternedge · 22/10/2018 10:40

It's no wonder people skip straight to contacting the relevant authorities in situations like this instead.

What exactly do you think the relevant authorities will do?

Don't want normal everyday noise then don't live in a flat.

Sweetpotatoaddict · 22/10/2018 10:42

Op yanbu to ignore them.

Your neighbours may soon find that a baby crying is much preferable to a heavy metal insomniac Grin

DarlingNikita · 22/10/2018 10:42

you didn’t extend the courtesy of having a chat, just spoke through the intercom, said DH would go round, then he didn’t.

I'm afraid I think YABU because of this. I understand that you thought a conversation would just make you cry, but your DH could have gone round and explained that, and had a reasonable chat with them.

Some good practical suggestions here about changing sleep location/patterns, thick rugs etc.

Sugarformyhoney · 22/10/2018 10:43

I definitely think you should take the baby into another room to minimise disturbance as much as you can. It must be really stressful being kept awake by someone else’s baby so I’d be trying to think of solutions to the best of my ability- even if that meant buying new curtains

WhatsGoingOnEh · 22/10/2018 10:46

And how's the weaning going? I wouldn't expect a 7-month old baby to still need two night feeds.

PuppyMonkey · 22/10/2018 10:47

I definitely agree to at least try going down and talking to them. All of you go as a family to say a proper hello, bring a box of chocolates, bring the baby and explain everything you're doing to help alleviate the noise and that you're confident it will work soon and you'll be leaving in a couple of weeks anyway. If they continue to be snotty to you, well you tried your best.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 22/10/2018 10:47

Your neighbours may soon find that a baby crying is much preferable to a heavy metal insomniac grin

I doubt it. At least with the latter the neighbours can make a complaint to the council or LL to intervene.

justfloatingpast · 22/10/2018 10:48

"Yanbu. They have been slightly confrontational in their approach, saying it's been 'inflicted on them' and trying to make them feel guilty by saying they 'have to go away.' This would put my back right up, too, and I wouldn't see them responding to reason. They would just rant if given the opportunity."

I think they only did this when it was obvious that the OP wasn't prepared to invite them up for a conversation, but immediately became defensive over the intercom.

easternedge · 22/10/2018 10:49

And how's the weaning going? I wouldn't expect a 7-month old baby to still need two night feeds.
LOL

Perfectpeony · 22/10/2018 10:53

Hope your baby’s colic/ reflux gets better- I know how hard it is let alone the stress of a neighbour complaining.

I’m guessing the neighbours don’t have kids, we felt like this about a NDN when we lived in an aparatment and used to bang on the wall Sad I feel absolutely awful about that now and would 100% understand now I know what it’s like.

They’re going to have to just live with it and wear ear plugs or something for a short time. I agree with a PP you could ask what they would like you to do? Maybe take the baby with you, they may be a bit more understanding then.

Good luck!

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