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To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

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Bearbehind · 21/10/2018 17:36

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

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Motheroffourdragons · 26/10/2018 11:46

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Moussemoose · 26/10/2018 11:46

Absolutely, some of our MPs are thick and ill informed. Remember David Davis saying he was going to make individual trade deals when he became Brexit Secretary?

Massively, ill informed which makes me think he may be a little thick.

Moussemoose · 26/10/2018 11:47

Just a nasty cold I'm a bit drippy. And I'm avoiding my marking.

crimson72 · 26/10/2018 11:48

I suppose one positive that will come out of Brexit is that house prices could fall quite significantly, as fewer people from abroad will want/need to live in the UK and it will be harder for them to do so. House prices in the south-east (where I live) are astronomically high and it's not fair on young people who may never be able to afford their own home. Having spoken to a couple of estate agent friends recently, there's no doubt that Brexit and the uncertainty surrounding it has caused a slowdown in house prices, which can only be a good thing (and I say this as someone who owns their own home).

prettybird · 26/10/2018 11:48

Ouch jasjas Sad Must be really sore Sad. I wish as speedy a recovery as possible.

A friend of mine (from ds' old cycling club) shattered his hip a year ago on wet leaves just as he got home from a lunchtime cycle Shock. He was fortunate that the surgeon recognised that his mobility was really important to him (he is a professional mountaineer/guide) and did a really complicated and long operation (involving pins?) to get him back on his feet sooner. He was back at work in 6 months! He has nothing but praise for our wonderful NHS - the one that is at risk from this Brexit Sad

(as an aside, I'm now very careful when going round even curves on wet leaves Wink)

10degreestostarboard · 26/10/2018 11:49

Moose

You work in the educational system...

Oh dear. Poor darlings must be proper brainwashed.... :)

Buteo · 26/10/2018 11:51

Always interesting when someone like anonymousobserver either joins or name changes specifically to point out an MN conspiracy Hmm.

I’m stuck on a bus just now in case anyone wonders why I have time to post.

KennDodd · 26/10/2018 11:53

I work term time only.

Peregrina · 26/10/2018 11:53

We can let the quality of what our Leave friends post speak for themselves.

Moussemoose · 26/10/2018 12:06

Yes 10 I brain wash them into how to put forward an argument.

I teach PEE.

You make a point - it has to have a focus and can't just be a wishy washy sentiment.

You provide evidence - a quote from a text or a fact.

You then explain your point - you justify it and expand upon it.

By the time they leave my class they are able to construct arguments and understand the need for evidence based discussions. They can put forward any argument they want that are pertinent as long as they can back it up with facts and arguments.

I judge the quality of the discussion.

Anyway, still waiting for your response to those points you made yesterday. You know "millions of our forebears" etc etc.

mummmy2017 · 26/10/2018 12:06

I am baffled by your attitude.
The UK is moving my way not yours. Yet still your trying to evote the impression that your thought and demands will be met.. Wow super arrogance there... On your part..
Do you have a King Canute thing going on in your head?

mummmy2017 · 26/10/2018 12:08

Would the forebearers mean the ones the poppy on people clothing is in remembrance of...

Moussemoose · 26/10/2018 12:13

The point 10 made was that our forebears died defending 'freedom'. I asked which wars he was talking about.

WW2 could be seen as war to defend freedom, but I can't think of many others.

While I wear a poppy and feel that we need to remember and respect those who died in previous wars I don't think anyone can claim WW1 was a war fought for freedom. Nationalism, was undoubtedly a major factor, but 'freedom'? No.

Anyway, 10 will be along in a minute to explain exactly what he meant.

prettybird · 26/10/2018 12:17

Actually, the UK (if by that you mean the electorate) is not "The UK is moving my way not yours" Confused

Even if not a single person had changed their minds, the demographics are such that by this coming January, Remain would be in the majority, just because the higher proportion of "old" Leavers die and young people - who are overwhelmingly in favour of Remain - come on to the electoral register (My ds is one of them Smile)

That's before you even factor in those that might have changed their minds after seeing the clusterfuck of Brexit and the damage it is going to do to the UK economy and realising that a) they were lied to and b) far from giving the Government and its austerity ethos a bloody nose, it is the rich that will benefit (by sending their money overseas and/or the fire sale of the UK services) and the poor that will pay the price Sad

mummmy2017 · 26/10/2018 12:22

What abut the lot that lie to the polls.
The shy ones too scared to admit how much they now dislike the EU and how they voted remain or didn't bother to vote, but would vote now to go.
By the way six months needed for second vote.. Legal stuff..
NO time left... Woops.

Peregrina · 26/10/2018 12:25

The UK is moving my way not yours.

On what do you base that assumption? May is making a poor job of the Brexit negotiations, not helped by her Cabinet fighting like ferrets in a sack. Why though, didn't Farage manage to get a 700,000 turn out for his protest, for the hard Brexit is that apparently the country is so desperate for?

Moussemoose · 26/10/2018 12:26

If no one changes the way they voted - even the shy ones - if all the people who voted, vote in exactly the same way. Remain will win due to demographics as described by Prettybird.

The young oppose Brexit so the country is, in fact, moving towards remain.

10degreestostarboard · 26/10/2018 12:29

Moose

Which is all fine and dandy yet research shows that folk get more conservative (small c) as they get older. Some of those will stay remainers as they age but not all.

Moussemoose · 26/10/2018 12:31

10 I thought you weren't engaging with a 'sock puppet'?

Or are you only refusing to engage when it comes to answering those pesky fact based questions I brainwash my students with.

And in classic teacher speak " I'm still waiting......"

Motheroffourdragons · 26/10/2018 12:32

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prettybird · 26/10/2018 12:38

...and it also doesn't change the fact that it's a demographical calculation, so any "creeping conservatism" is already factored in to the age bands. Confused

Buteo · 26/10/2018 12:51

Which is all fine and dandy yet research shows that folk get more conservative (small c) as they get older.

Conservative with a small c is not the same as Conservative. In fact conservative would be more resistant to change.

10degreestostarboard · 26/10/2018 12:55

Buteo

... such as change brought about via an overbearing future eu

That sort of change