To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

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Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

There was a vote.

Agreed. If you think that 'the people still want Brexit', then a second vote will still show that. If you're scared to have a second vote because you think it will show that actually, more people now want to remain, then why the fuck wouldn't you go with what the majority of the country wanted? You were happy to when it comes to the first vote...?

I'm a remainer but I'm worried about ending in no Deal.

There was a general election in 2015 and another one in 2017 but when it comes to the EU referendum democracy appears to have ended in June 2016.

It's because they believe the people who marched want another brexit vote? They are wilfully misunderstanding why people were marching

There was a vote

There was but the result was based on untruths like the £350m for the NHS and staying in the Single Market.

Now it's much clearer what the real choices are.

I'm a Remainer but I do worry a second vote would be horribly divisive and incredibly vicious , with RW press painting Remain as 'Elite, anti-democracy, they hate you, vote against them and show them what you think of them' and LW painting all Brexiteers as stupid, racist bigots and I don't think a 'Remain' result is a foregone conclusion at all.

As much as I think leaving Europe is a bloody stupid thing to do, there was a vote, a democratic vote. We can't stand here and say "we're a democracy! Oh, but hang on a minute, I lost that vote so... No, now we need another one."

I would love for there to be a No vote now. But it's not fair for it to happen this way.

Can I ask a genuine question?

What’s the point? The EU aren’t going to accept a cancellation of article 50 are they? Neither are they going to renegotiate their position based on what the U.K. public would like

They are wilfully misunderstanding why people were marching

Agreed. The Brexit Vote was In or Out - that was it.

A People Vote would be about what kind of exit we should have if that is still what the majority support.

The EU aren’t going to accept a cancellation of article 50 are they?

They have repeatedly said they would.

'I'm a remainer but I'm worried about ending in no Deal.'

Same here. No Deal is not a viable option and must not be offered as a possibility on any future referendum

I marched yesterday but felt like a bit of a fraud, because I don't want another vote, I just want the whole goddamn thing called off! There is no way to Brexit that doesn't screw up Northern Ireland and trash the rest of the UK. There is no deal that will leave us in any way as well off as we are now. And NO ONE voted for the mortifying, unending catastrophe that has been unfolding over the last 2 years

I also agree that it would be even more divisive

'The EU aren’t going to accept a cancellation of article 50 are they?'

Yes, they would. Gladly.

I can’t find anywhere members states saying they’re willing to forget about it and start again? All I can find is information that it might technically/ legally be possible

If there was another vote then that means my winning vote was ignored. How is that right

Because we’ve already had a peoples vote.
Because 90% of the people I know who marched don’t actually even WANT a people’s vote, they just want it ending!
Plus it makes NO DIFFERENCE.

There was a vote on Scottish Independence and that hasn't been the end of the matter. There will definitely be more votes until the SNP get their way. Why should Brexit be different? Why can't we vote again?

I also agree that it would be even more divisive

I don't think that's possible.

Right now we are being driven off a cliff edge on the basis that this is the 'will of the people'

When you take into account the fact that only 26% of the population voted Leave and of those there was no consensus on what 'leave' actually looked like.

What we need now is a clear mandate - whatever that might be.

All votes are peoples votes!! (tempted to be rude but I will refrain!) numpty!

Brexit is built on lies. The only lie left is 'will of the people'. The people's vote will expose it and there'll be no justification left other than bigotry.

I worry that leavers will vote for no deal for no sound reason other than because they voted for brexit, goddammit! Brexit has convinced me that the British public are severely lacking in critical thinking skills and I wouldn’t trust them to vote on anything of substance anymore tbh. The media will manipulate everything and politicians will lie through their teeth, just like last time. Unless the options cancel out the chance for people to express their innate xenophobia then we’ll end up with some ridiculous result because it’s pretty clear that the general public and current government prioritise xenophobia over the economy and jobs.

I give in tbh, the country is screwed regardless. What a pointless, expensive, time wasting mess.

Do correct me if i’m wrong but I am not sure people were marching for a People’s vote to be on two options ‘deal’ or ‘no deal’ (especially given the banners and the amount of people dressed in blue with yellow stars), therefore, it’s reasonable to conclude they are marching on the assumption that ‘remain’ would be included as an option, it gives them another bite of the cherry which is very ‘EU’

Also to add, are we supposed to run another vote on the say so of under 1m people from a total population of 65m. You are not that special.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s the view of 1 million people that has us taking a wrecking ball to the economy and destabilising our position in the world. I’d argue that has more impact than a second vote.

But.. the referendum result was NOT legally binding, it was advisory only. And people voted based on scant facts, some of which have since been proven as untruths (the money for the NHS for example)

In these circumstances, a second referendum, including the option to remain, should be on the table.