To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

All that said, in order for there to be a legitimate chance of a People's Vote you'd need a credible party behind it. With Corbyn at the helm, Labour are not going to push for remaining in the EU no matter how devastating it will be. You also have to recognise that having gone so far with it, some people are now convinced that even if it will be a shit show Brexit must be pursued and achieved at whatever cost.

And the photos of the March in the papers were great and seemed to back up that it wasn't as well attended as predicted. Not just my view..

harpingon, please could you provide a link to your source for this comment.

Who predicted more than 600,000 people would attend this march?

The only predictions I've seen said 100,000.

There was a vote. When there is a General Election, the parties tell us what their manifesto is but don't always follow through on it but we don't get another vote until the end of the term. I honestly think another vote will make a mockery of the democracy this country is built on.

Why are people conflating an advisory referendum with a vote to elect members of parliament

Trouble is the Brexiteers fought against Europe for over 40 years - since the first vote!!! To their surprise they "won" in 2016- largely on the back of lies about potential spending on the NHS and frankly rubbish about imigration. And of course, new trade deals would be easy as people would be queuing up to trade with us and leaving would be simple. It isn't and was never going to be.
Leavers would prefer to see the UK broken up - Ireland doesn't matter, Scotland doesn't matter as long as we are "Free" ( to cow tow to the Americans and any other country that shouts loudly)
I am angry with friends who campaigned to leave but are now considering to move to their place in Europe for a better quality of life!!
Leavers are petrified that now everyone can see what Brexit means they will lose the third vote. Bring it on!

Any vote can only be "Shit Deal or No Deal". I really can't see how Remain can be put back on the table- it has to be agreed in Parliament and they are all too scared to do anything else.
I voted Remain but would have to vote Shit Deal because No Deal would be a catastrophe.
What a shit show.

Another vote would hugely damage trust in democracy. You can't have another vote before carrying out the results of the first vote.

Nothing has really happened in the time since the referendum. Remainers were apocalyptic about a vote to leave before the referendum and are just carrying on. Nothing bad has happened so far, despite remainers predictions, and it remains to be seen what will happen after.

VladmirsPoutine

The advisory referendum was only advisory until it got ratified in parliament.

As for why it is being conflated is because the same system is/was used in both cases. Even down to the lying and name calling from both sides.

Maybe just maybe if we were able to hold our politicians to higher standards and didn't allow them to get in power by the same bullshit methods every four/five years we wouldn't be in this mess.

"Nothing bad has happened so far"
You do know we haven't left yet, don't you?
Ffs.

"The peoples vote March could have been better represented" The Independent a pro remain paper.

People were talking figures around the one million mark, it is looking like the turnout was half of that at 500 thousand. Again I am asking you what the "people's vote" is?

The thing is, Leavers aren't fighting their cause on the benefits it will bring, it's being fought solely on 'we won you lost, get over it'

Why is it you still can't tell us why it's going to be worth it?

Why are you so determined that we should follow a path that is going to devastate our economy?

Why are you so afraid of your choice being questioned?

How can you say "people didn't know what they were voting for" then? They still don't know because it hasn't happened yet. All that has happened is two more years of remainer speculation.

The peoples vote March could have been better represented" The Independent a pro remain paper.

Could you provide a link please.

@Winebottle - Nothing bad has happened so far,

From what I understand from talking to colleagues in UK universities, the number of overseas students has dramatically decreased. One of the big draws fur the students was the fact they are allowed work in the EU post graduation so they are now coming to Ireland instead. This will result in redundancies if it can't be reversed.

Brexit hasn't happened yet so of course most consequences have not yet happened.

theymadenejoin because I think any deal now is more than likely to be a BINO which is not what I voted for so, if I had the opportunity to vote again it would be ‘no deal’.

I don’t want another vote .

I hate politics because we are always been sold something . There were lies on both sides .

I wish politicians would treat us like grown ups . Give us unbiased information and let me make an informed choice.

It isn’t like that so still would not be able to make an informed choice

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greater London largely voted remain so it is hardly surprising a march in London attracted people who would prefer to remain it's an echo chamber.

A march in some of the cities or west midlands that were strongly leave I guess would have been different"

Farage organised a counter demonstration in Harrogate, only 1200 people turned up.

Well obviously because people who voted leave are worried a second vote would produce a remain result. That's very understandable, however I still think there should be a second vote.

It's fair to say that nobody, not the Leave side, the Remain side, including our politicians and even initially the EU had a true idea of how difficult unwinding our deeply intertwined nation from the EU would be. The EU got up to speed on it quickly, we have flailed desperately and now we're staring down the barrel of a disastrous no-deal crash exit out of the EU.

Now we are getting a clearer picture of what is really involved in leaving the EU I think it's reasonable to ask the public if we want this.

Bearbehind

Once again (and it will bring out the same idiots) after two years of being shit on for not having the "correct" view, why would anyone put their views forward knowing that the same response will follow?

Bearbehind

We don't tell you why it is worth it because you will have heard all the leave arguments for the last 3 years and if that hasn't persuaded you, I doubt they will now.

Similarly, I have heard people saying it will devastate the economy for 3 years and I still don't care.

The debate was had before and people voted on it. You cannot rerun it because you lost.

How can you say "people didn't know what they were voting for" then? They still don't know because it hasn't happened yet.

It's this kind of naievity that has caused the problem.

No one should ever have made a choice without weighing up the possible outcomes.

Obviously no one can predict exactly what will happen but they should have taken the basics into account.

They should accept that outside the SM/CU we are fucked because we simply have no plan for that.

Oh for goodness sake, OP, you can't hace a people's vote on a deal because everyone will vote no. And then they'll be another deal and everyone will vote no again. BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WORSE OFF OUT OF THE EU THAN IN IT. Otherwise all the other member states would want to leave too and the EU would implode. So a deal is always going to be unpalatable to the population, because it's always going to be worse than what we have now. And anyone who voted leave and thought any different is deluded.

I think a lot of brexiteers don't bother commenting anymore. I rarely join in the wailing over brexit, still vote brexit if there was a vote.

But I wouldn't want one because the vote was hideously divisive. I quite deliberately kept politics out of my real life relationships, but had to put up with some pretty nasty comments from friends and family both sides of the argument. I really don't want to do that again.

There was huge misinformation on both sides of the debate. Most of the remain predictions were based on everything going wrong and made by academics which is one of the areas that will most likely suffer from brexit.

Theresa May right royally fucked it up by calling a general election. I'm not sure anyone could sort it after that

Personally I wonder whether Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn were even aware of the people's march.
Theresa May had a social engagement in her constituency and Jeremy Corbyn is in Switzerland I believe.
They obviously didn't think it was worth bothering about....
I know many young people who are now eligible to vote who are furious and disappointed that their future health,wealth,
jobs and prospects have been seriously compromised.
Many people who voted have changed their minds now they are better informed (or indeed passed on.)
There should be either a 2nd vote or no deal/no Brexit so that the people it mostly will affect (18 yr olds) can have their say regarding the next 50 years.
Currently it's looking like a train wreck.