To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

[Bearbehind]

Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

Similarly, I have heard people saying it will devastate the economy for 3 years and I still don't care.

I wonder how many of your comrades would agree with that, in all honesty.

Bravado is all well and good........until it hits you in the pocket.

WithTwo no one but exceptional extremists will march for a cause which is happening! What a waste of time. Marches happen to show dissent not to add to the status quo.

Give us unbiased information and let me make an informed choice.

This is the problem. The onus is on you to seek out information from a variety of sources in order to reach your own conclusion, not least make an informed choice. By occupational hazard I have read countless EU and UK policy documents over the years.

It isn't Theresa May's job to tell you the failings of Conservative policy, nor is it Jeremy Corbyn's job to tell you the failings of Labour policy. And god help anyone who solely relies on the Telegraph, Daily Mail or Guardian to be 'informed'.

@time4chocolate - because I think any deal now is more than likely to be a BINO

What's a BINO?

I still don't understand why anyone would prefer no deal. It will be a major shit storm.

BINO - Brexit In Name Only

A lot of people have already been hit hard financially by unlimited migration.

And I knew exactly what I was voting for. Any option that ended unfettered freedom of movement.

No, they just need to stop the damned thing.

That’d be because you’re racist.
Why end “unfettered freedom of movement”?
Because there are no jobs? (Due to incoming people are doing jobs that are beneath you?)
Fuck off.

Ah yes, I remember a time pre EU when everyone had a decent wage. Or not.

Thanks to the vote there are now even more NHS staff shortages and lack of farm workers because EU workers aren’t coming here.

VinoISVeritas
That’d be because you’re racist.

And right there is the reason that immigration has become such a big deal.

If your not for it you must be racist. #nodebate.

Why don’t you fuck off Vinol?

Ridiculous comment.

So say we had 2choices, take the negotiated deal or leave with no deal (a vote to stay wouldn’t really be an option, we’ve already done that one and the leave vote would be split so this would not be a fair ballot paper). Doesn’t this take away some of our negotiation going power, spend ages negotiating a position which could be easily turned over. Surely this would lead to more instability? It is also likely that people would vote in a single issue (remainders would want to stay in customs union etc) rather than the deal in the round.

I desperately don’t want us to leave, but I worry about what another vote would mean for democracy. I’m scottish and up here Nic is castigated for wanting a second referendum so soon after the first (I’m for independence) so how is Brexit any different? I desperately hope we don’t leave, but whatever happens we’re in a major mess.

Thanks Bearbehind.

Surely, if you're in favour of brexit then a BINO would be a good starting point given the constraints of the gfa, with the aim of gradual separation? Once technical solutions to the British border in Ireland become possible, then this could be accelerated. No deal seems suicidal (or at least very self-destructive) to me.

I think people knew as much as they needed to in the first vote. Leaving would be difficult - made difficult by the EU. Also you can probably predict the way EU policy will go over the next few decades.

Having another vote would make a mockery out of democracy. We should keep going and negotiate the best deal and accept a possibility of a no deal - this is an inherent risk of any negotiation and has to be accepted.

There is some uncertainty and some risk. A lot of people aren't used to this in their lives so I can see why people are concerned.

A bit of British stiff upper lip is what's required. Crack on!

I’m a remainer but I don’t support a second vote, I think it would inflame the far right, and the remain campaign would be even more vicious and divisive than last time.

Thank you @VinoISVeritas you have just demonstrated exactly why I'd rather not deal with another vote or why I genuinely don't often engage with brexit threads.

As ever I think the arguments are way more nuanced but why look at the reasons remain lost, with freedom of movement a big sticking point, when you can dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as racist instead?

I think people knew as much as they needed to in the first vote. Leaving would be difficult - made difficult by the EU

Err no. I seem to remember talk of this being the easiest deal in history m. It could be done over a cup of tea. And of course they need us more than we need them.

All of which is utter bollocks but and suggesting that leaving would be economically painful and difficult was dismissed as “project fear”

MyBrexitUnicornDied

All of which is utter bollocks but and suggesting that leaving would be economically painful and difficult was dismissed as “project fear”

and nothing at all to do with the rioting in the streets and Armageddon levels of panic that were predicted to occur.

What I don’t understand about no deal....

Brexiteers say we shouldn’t worry about no deal,WTO rules are fine and dandy

Then brexiteers say they don’t want custkns union because we would have to survive on WTO rules, because we couldn’t make trade deals with rotw

So which is it?

Maidsrus

The problem is that "brexiteers" are not one mass of people with one thought, they all have different views and opinions on what they voted for, some would be happy with a soft brexit others with a hard brexit and yet more with many complex levels in between.

The problem is that "brexiteers" are not one mass of people with one thought, they all have different views and opinions on what they voted for, some would be happy with a soft brexit others with a hard brexit and yet more with many complex levels in between.

Which is exactly why we need some way of finding a consensus or mandate to move forward.

fouronthe

I’m a remainer but I don’t support a second vote, I think it would inflame the far right, and the remain campaign would be even more vicious and divisive than last time

I worry about the far right too. But yesterday really cheered me up. There was an EDL march in Manchester, a massive 20 people turned up and were surrounded by 60 odd police officers

Bearbehind

Its almost as if we need something that would lay down the guidelines of what we expect our "elected" representatives to fight for instead of them deciding what would be best for us.

banana you do know that the EU directive allows for EU members to restrict immigration to people who are economically active. The UK government chose not to.