Tonight's headline news - Asian gangs, So what next for these young girls? (Triggering)

[DeadLioness]

Apologies, posting here for traffic. Don't think we need a link, it's right across the news tonight. What I'm wondering is what next for these poor girls? The judge said 'It is likely that many, if not all, of these girls will never recover from the abuse they suffered'. But the psychological damage is colossal. There should be compensation and a massive care package. How will they get past this? A prison sentence does nothing to stop flashbacks. I speak as someone similarly affected. I am waiting for my perpetrator's trial to start. I also don't believe I'll get over it. The very best psych help the Nhs has to offer is not enough. I guess I want to hear that they'll be ok, so I know I'll be ok. But I know that isn't the case. Those men should have had life without parole, all of them.

[tillytrotter1]

But you know it’s not just Asian gangs, yes

That was quick! No, not exclusively but statistically they are by far the group most likely to abuse and have been for years, it's only now we're allowed to say that.
As anyone who has worked in the public sector will tell you no-one was able to make any negative comment, however justified

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Useful article here if anyone's interested: fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

It seems the position's often unclear because the ethnicity of sex offenders isn't always made public, but where data's available it suggests that in this particular model - ie: child grooming gangs - asians are heavily represented

derxa did you really expect many more?

[EyeSaidTheFly]

I'm not sure where its been reported anywhere that islamic ideology is behind this. All predatory, sadistic men are motivated by deeply entrenched cruelty and selfishness. I think it's unrealistic to suggest that a misundertanding of islam could lead to this. Men who engage in this behaviour are immune to theological arguments of any nature. It gors far beyond that..

I have no problem with anyone telling the truth. I do have a problem with people swallowing the 'Asian grooming' link without question, just because this is what the media has fed them.

to all those suffering.

[surferjet]

TheQueef

Absolutely.

[Megthehen]

My heart goes out to these girls and young women. The ring leader appears to be a Sikh..not sure about the Islamic angle there....just toxic masculinity. When will girls be heard? I hope you can find a survivors network and therapy. Lots of us feel huge empathy for you.

[Neapolitanicecream]

Islam is very clear on “ruthlessness “for nonbelievers and for some that give them permission to terrorise young girls

[EyeSaidTheFly]

TheQueef

If you've ever read the daily mail you'll find your suggestion is not only not true, it is actively absurd. Islam and muslims are constantly scapegoated, disproportionately compared to other members of society and/or faiths.

Suggesting somehow that this is an Asian problem is actually to ignore the evidence. It also undermines the horrific suffering the victims have experienced.

[surferjet]

Anyway.
I hope these poor young girls get all the help they need to try & rebuild their lives.
My heart goes out to anyone who has suffered this abuse.

[RoboticMary]

**Surferjet - I agree with every word you wrote.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Megthehen I agree about the value of therapy and survivors' networks, but isn't there likely to be a funding issue here?

IME money's all too often prioritised for what might be called "fashionable" causes, and given some of the perceptions around such cases I somehow doubt the victims will be at the top of anyone's list

[ItLooksABitOff]

misogyny needs to be a hate crime.

[TheQueef]

No Eyesaid I'm not a mail fan.

In my work I do a little cross over with victims and even worse I Live a few meters from a chill out car park and I see what happens and is still happening.

It's a time bomb.

[derxa]

Some of the perpetrators were Sikh but it's not about religion. It's about a modus operandi and making sure it stops.

[NotAnotherJaffaCake]

I think the race thing is a total red card. To pretend that naice white men down the road wouldn’t dream of doing that, it’s just those dirty foreigners.

It’s not. It’s men. The common factor is men. White, black, Asian, religious, atheist men.

[NotAnotherJaffaCake]

Sorry, I meant red herring, of course

[derxa]

It’s not. It’s men. The common factor is men. White, black, Asian, religious, atheist men. In this case it's Sikh and Muslim men. That's who did it in this case.

[Hoppinggreen]

This is my home town
I think there is a lot of confusion about religion vs culture
Nothing in The Koran encourages or allows this treatment of women and girls BUT there are a lot of attitudes within Pakistani/Bangladeshi and Indian cultures that lead to this sort of thing.
Islam is no more to blame for this than it is for suicide bombings, it is men who are to blame NOT religion
Interestingly I heard an interview with the social worker in Rotherham who exposed what was happening there and she said the lack of police action wasn’t due to the ethnic background of the men, it was more about the background of the girls. They were seen as complicit in their own abuse.
Asian people who commit crimes are arrested regularly in Huddersfield and all over this country and I genuinely believe that the police would have acted sooner if it had been nice middle class girls involved. I don’t think fear of accusations of racism was an important factor. Believe me, there is plenty of overt racism here

[MarcieBluebell]

I do have a problem with people swallowing the 'Asian grooming' link without question, just because this is what the media has fed them

Noone thinks it's all Asian men! But it is another of many widespread cases, that operated on a huge scale, by Asian men. It's not because the media says so ffs.

[derxa]

In my work I do a little cross over with victims and even worse I Live a few meters from a chill out car park and I see what happens and is still happening. It's a time bomb.
Queef I can imagine. But on here we are only worried about 'racism'
What a fucking state of affairs.

[borderline11]

The fact that these particular gangs are Asian is irrelevant. The very vast majority of paedophile rings in this country are white, they are not reported in the same way
Of course it’s relevant, and of course the vast majority of paedophile rings in this country are white, seeing as how the majority are white.

[TheQueef]

Derxa some things you wouldn't believe.
I've been threatened with gang rape for calling an ambulance.

Now there is a small red light corner and some of the women break my heart.
It's so grim.

[Justwanttoweeinpeace]

I think the background of the perpetrators is a red herring. There will always be predatory groups around of all types.

I think the bigger problem is the utterly appalling attitude of the police, councils and other support services that labelled these girls and failed them enormously.

I'm from one of the places that have had this going on. If I'd been less fortunate it could have been me. I'm ashamed.

[staydazzling]

ive never understood why people get so het up about the idea of describing the gangs as Asian. I dont think anyone is suggesting its all Asians. Just as all no-one suggests ALL white male loners are serial killers, and all Black men are in gangs. It doesnt change the fact there are cultural factors in certain crimes. And in the way the victims are treated.