Tonight's headline news - Asian gangs, So what next for these young girls? (Triggering)

[DeadLioness]

Apologies, posting here for traffic. Don't think we need a link, it's right across the news tonight. What I'm wondering is what next for these poor girls? The judge said 'It is likely that many, if not all, of these girls will never recover from the abuse they suffered'. But the psychological damage is colossal. There should be compensation and a massive care package. How will they get past this? A prison sentence does nothing to stop flashbacks. I speak as someone similarly affected. I am waiting for my perpetrator's trial to start. I also don't believe I'll get over it. The very best psych help the Nhs has to offer is not enough. I guess I want to hear that they'll be ok, so I know I'll be ok. But I know that isn't the case. Those men should have had life without parole, all of them.

[George4444]

Hi Mimishimi and Cheesess,

Thanks for your comments.

I'm not pretending that the majority of pedophiles in the UK are not white men. Generally speaking white pedophiles tend to act alone. Online targeting of children is also a large problem with much police resources being put in place to stop such abuse.

However there does appear to be an issue with (If i write the specific cultural religious category the post may be deleted) but its Asian, Pak* Mus** men. Who are over represented as grooming gang predators. No all but over 80%. As this is group based grooming the children involved will suffer higher levels of abuse. As they are trafficked into a net work of abusers. Are there white and other cultural groups grooming children and traffic them yes, they are criminals also.

The big problem is the prevention. Which Cheeses mentions. The girls mostly white are targeted at a young age and are more easily impressed by attention and gifts. We as a nation cannot, put on television an awareness program that shows young white girls the colour of skin of the majority grooming gang members. What they say, how they act what they do. It just cant happen. That is exactly what needs to be done. To prevent this terrible crime happening now and in the future.

So we are stuck.

The space in a public inquiry may, just be able to say in a grown up way what the problem is and what the preventive action should be.

Also I would like to say that the police are much more aware and doing alot more to disrupt grooming gangs. Also people and parents are more aware of the danger to 12 to 16 year old girls from grooming gangs.

[Cheesess]

I have a friend who comes from a Muslim culture but is an atheist.
In her early twenties she was in an abusive relationship with an Asian man until he fled the country one day and never returned.
Turns out this man was involved with sex trafficking and she had no idea.
She says it was obvious he was a bad man in hindsight, but as a young female she was too naive to realise and she was pacified by the gifts.
We need to work on building the self esteem of females and make them realise that they deserve so much better.
Teach them the signs of an abusive relationship and how to extract themselves from one (believe me I know how hard that this). Teach them to value decent loving relationships and not go after men because they have nice cars and flash the cash. Teach them they are worth more than a man and can cope perfectly fine without one. Support the prospects of young females who aren’t destined for university better.

[Mimishimi]

I was eight years old when I was molested by a white man. His father, as it turned out, was a notorious pedophile himself and 'protected'. My parents pressed charges but nothing came of it.

This is SO much bigger than just Asian men and anyone who pretends otherwise has another agenda I think. You only have to look at WW2 to see that.

[George4444]

The Petition when over 10,000 signatures at the weekend, which is fantastic. Big thanks to all that have signed and shared the link.

The government will now respond. The response may be soon or in a few months time.

The current II CSE investigation has been criticized by professionals and survivors. Maggie Oliver recently called it a white wash.

Its now time for a proper Public Inquiry that does not shy aware from asking the difficult questions about grooming gangs. Three core questions all public inquiries seek answers to: What happened, Who is to blame, What recommendations to be put in place to prevent this every happening again.

Thanks again for all your support

George

[George4444]

There is a petition asking for a Public Inquiry into Grooming Gangs here is the link. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/327566

The petition is Supported by a Charity helping survivors, the Maggie Oliver Foundation

Last year we learned 57 young girls were thought to have been exploited by up to 100 members of a grooming gang. There is clear public concern, and appear to be failings by Police, Social Services, Local Authorities and the CPS to protect the most vulnerable.

A public inquiry should answer: What happened? Who is to blame? What can be done to prevent this happening again? Is there a racial/religious element to this type of offending? How are survivors being supported and should more be done.

Petition is at 8,000+ it needs to get to 10,000 for a written government response. Your help is much appreciated.

All about awareness and protecting children and young adults.

Click on the link. Click on sign, provide your email, and confirm your support by clicking the link that the parliamentary website send to your email address.

[George4444]

Hi Workhomesleeprepeat,

Yes I agree wholeheartedly. Top management of Social Services and Local Authorities should be questioned about their response to get to the facts. To determine what happened, who was to blame and to ensure victims are not dismissed out of hand whilst the predators continue un hindered in short so that the situation is prevented in the future.

[workhomesleeprepeat]

I think its important to acknowledge that the British care system failed these young women and girls long before they started getting sexually abused. I remember reading news coverage of this when it first started coming out, and the language used about these girls in mainstream papers was horrendous - definitely implied that they were 'running off to their boyfriends' rather than being groomed. Just awful.

[George4444]

Hi

The Petition asking the Government to set up a public inquiry into grooming gangs has passed the 7500 point. Three quarters of the way to 10,000 when the government will be asked for a written reply.

If you have an questions about the petition let me know. Some details:

The petition is supported by the Maggie Oliver Foundation which is a Charity for survivors
There has not been a public inquiry into grooming gangs so far. There is much research and other investigations into failings.
I am a business person and not in any way political or linked to any political party or organisation.
When you are signing the petition its important to click on the link that the petition body sends to your email address. If you don't click to confirm your signature is not recorded.

[George4444]

There is a petition asking for a public inquiry into grooming gangs. Here is the link petition.parliament.uk/petitions/327566 click on the link and read the petition if you agree click to sign it. Feel free to share the with others. We need to get the petition to at least 10 000

[staydazzling]

In a channel 4 documentary about Rotherham a man appeared to speak in favour of his brother 'mad ash'. They are both now in prison along with some other brothers. WTAF went on in that family to create 4 violent sex traffickers!!! ...agree with PP social services need to have an eye on families where this is known to have occurred and i think we were frighteningly quick to overlook their upbringing individually rather than culture.

[IfyouseeRitaMoreno]

Unfortunately the vulnerability of the victims, the fear of racism, ineffective authorities made everything so much worse and allowed it to continue for far longer than it should've.

And don’t forget the sexist attitudes of the authorities too: the culture of sexual harassment and bullying at the council, and the attitudes of the police that these girls were “slags”, their inability to see the psychological complexity involved in grooming.

It wasn’t just about a fear of being seen as racist.

[IfyouseeRitaMoreno]

That report makes me so angry

[ConcreteUnderpants]

Im so sorry for all the fellow sufferers of abuse. I cling to stories of survivors who have made a life for themselves and become happy. Outwardly, this seems to be me. Inside i am just existing.

There is most definitely a cultural aspect to this particular mode of grooming and abuse.
The prevalence of Asian owned takeaways and taxi companies etc facilitated this model of abuse.
Unfortunately the vulnerability of the victims, the fear of racism, ineffective authorities made everything so much worse and allowed it to continue for far longer than it should've.

I am so ashamed that society allowed these factors to come before the welfare of these children.

[surferjet]

Thanks for the link bitoffun
Shocking isn’t it.

[BitOfFun]

The Rochdale Child Sexual Exploitation Report is worth a thorough read. It demonstrates quite clearly how taking a "hands-off" approach to uncomfortable socio-cultural realities has so badly let down the abused girls.

[gamerwidow]

Ie unless these girls have major intervention now that’s what their future looks like.

[gamerwidow]

No they are saying that this kind of abuse causes permanently destroyed self esteem and a distorted view of normal relationships which leads to
Promiscuity, self harm, addiction, alcoholism, low self esteem, shitty abusive relationships

[fizzthecat1]

Nothing to do with Asians

Are you fucking serious!? Are you just going to ignore the fact that 3% of the population are committing 84% of the crimes because "facts are racist".

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html

People like you, who care more about not being "racist" than young girls being abused is why this problem isn't being solved. To fix a problem you have to ACKNOWLEDGE it first.

[TheGroundIsBurning]

I think there is a trend in some parts of Asian male culture to see white girls as sexualised creatures to be used.

I'm chilled by these stories because I feel like I touched the edge of this. In my 20s, I was in a borderline abusive (certainly very manipulative) 'relationship' with a Sikh man who saw me as his 'white slut' and got off on the idea of me having sex with other men, not to go into detail.

I would not be at all surprised if his name came up in one of these investigations.

I am in a privileged position, have a comfortable middle class life and am not known to be damaged goods, but even for me there are things I keep hidden from everyone I know.

Name changed, obviously.

[Neapolitanicecream]

Exactly what pp said they would never have treated a girl in a hijab like that religion and culture has everything to do with this issue. I was constantly in fear walking home from school by the lechness of some asain men who targeted by blonde friend more so ! And this is my personal experience and was well known that they consider other religions girls as targets for overt lechy behaviour that is my own experience

[DeadLioness]

On top of what you've said loveyour there is tremendous shame to being a victim of abuse. We cannot talk about it opening because a large proportion of society can't bear to hear it. I've watched people wince and lean away when they hear my story. It's horrible for it not to be openly acknowledged & to not receive empathy. We are punished three times. Once by the initial abuse, twice by the flashbacks & living the rest of our lives with the mental disability and three times by other people's disgust. Child abuse & neglect is the taint we have to bear alone. Both my parents were abusive. I left my family to save my life and now have no-one. It's a life sentence, without possibility of parole.

[loveyouradvice]

I think the key thing is that these gangs are always MEN... of different cultural backgrounds, but always with a low opinion of women and girls, and with a horrific sense of entitlement that they can use them as "things" ie sex objects

AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why we as a society can not start setting up "victim's funds" for those who have suffered to receive better psychological and other support... eg alongside a long prison sentence, large fines for the perpetrators plus som state money ... on this scale it is a huge failure of "duty of care" on the state's responsibility...

That said, I can see there would be issues around who benefits... but wow, it shocks me that

1. we allow this to happen (people must have turned blind eyes along the way)
   
2. that we then don't say a huge sorry to the girls/young women affected - that we let this happen
   
3. that we then don't do more to help them survive such horror psychologically
   

It makes me ashamed to be part of a country where this happens - and goes on happening

[Scoogle]

This is my home town. One of the guys went to school with me. He was a nasty unpleasant cruel bully back then. I remember being genuinely scared of him throughout both primary and secondary. He was cruel, really cruel and cold and when I saw him yesterday on the news, I wasn't surprised at all. My friends and i used to cross the street when we saw him, but I also knew his brother who was exactly the same. Whether it was a race issue or the family setting, that man was brought up with the belief that women were scum.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Who enabled it? And why?

IME the "why" often comes down to simple self interest, but here are a few modest suggestions as to "who":

All who, for whatever reason, consider females to be "lesser" and not deserving of a voice
Those who allow an agenda to cloud the facts of an issue
Anyone attempting to avoid their own professional responsibility
Those who work to close down free discussion
Funders who neglect to back controversial issues in favour of something more "fashionable"

And no doubt many more ...