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to think its great that these celebrities are sponsoring coaches to the People's Vote March in London

174 replies

HurricaneFloss · 07/10/2018 13:29

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/06/stars-line-up-to-pay-coach-travel-to-brexit-peoples-vote-march

Good on you, Sir Patrick Stewart and Delia Smith!

Not just celebrities - some politicians and business owners, too.

OP posts:
GrimDamnFanjo · 08/10/2018 16:36

I hope the celebrities are driving the coaches?

Bearbehind · 08/10/2018 17:34

It's this kind of thing that sticks in my throat.

Why would you choose to be governed by someone who has taken it upon herself to decide what is best on behalf of anyone else and is such a weak leader she needs to cut out anyone who might not agree.

And then Leavers talk of 'taking back control' 🤔

SilverySurfer · 08/10/2018 18:29

surferjet it works for me.

mostdays and then what? Leave wins again you carry on whining for another vote; Remain wins and the Leavers insist on another vote, ad infinitum ad nauseam. What do you suggest? Monthly referenda, why not weekly?

Nothing I have heard or read before or since the Referendum has changed my mind. Roll on Brexit.

Mookatron · 08/10/2018 18:35

Well, that may be the case for you silvery. But I don't think it's the same for everyone. And I don't think a vote won illegally should be the decider. Much easier to stay in and leave later than leave and rejoin later. So bring on a yearly referendum as far as I'm concerned, with properly designed options and legal campaigning.

SilverySurfer · 08/10/2018 19:48

Thanks but no thanks Mookatron far better to get out and stay out. I don't see the EU surviving long term and better to be out before the shit hits the fan. I can see no benefit for staying in and leaving later. Whenever we left, Remainers would be unhappy.

Mookatron · 08/10/2018 19:56

Do you really thinkthe results of a referendum won with lies and criminal activity is a mandate to leave the EU silversurfer? Whether or not you think we should leave?

BoneyBackJefferson · 08/10/2018 21:45

Bearbehind

Can you explain what is in your link?

Bearbehind · 08/10/2018 22:05

boney it's an article in the Independent reporting the fact that Downing St have refused to confirm that the latest plans for Brexit will be published i.e., made available to MPs, before they are submitted to the EU leaders.

So basically the EU leaders will see them and approve or reject before parliament even sees them.

BoneyBackJefferson · 08/10/2018 22:11

Bearbehind

Cheers, but its just the usual underhand antics of parliament. I doubt that it will ever change.

Bearbehind · 08/10/2018 22:16

Maybe, but it does illustrate the point that 'taking back control' is bollocks.

Control is limited to the whims of TM and right now that is scary shit.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/10/2018 17:09

Bearbehind

Taking back was what people felt, you can't argue with feelings, they are not always rational.

I know people (and come from an area) that has very little support from the EU, they have been ignored for years, they "feel" this way because of all the shit that they have been through. The stats about how much better the area they are in is doing means sod all when you are going to food banks.

To top it all off, some people felt one way, some people felt something else yet they are still lynched under the same stupid responses from some remainers.

And as I have pointed out before most remainers voted remain because it benefited them not due to some altruistic view of the EU.

Bearbehind · 09/10/2018 18:06

And as I have pointed out before most remainers voted remain because it benefited them not due to some altruistic view of the EU.

I disagree- it only benefited them to extent there were and still aren't any benefits to Leaving.

Bearbehind · 09/10/2018 18:11

Weren't not were.

Peregrina · 09/10/2018 18:12

I've lived through recessions too, like Surferjet. I have seen marriages break down when redundancy and poverty struck. I don't want to wish that one anyone.

More than two years on, we should see firms running in to invest in the UK if it's all so wonderful.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/10/2018 18:23

Bearbehind

I know people that voted remain for cheaper holidays.
Because its easy to buy a holiday home in the EU
Because they employ workers from the EU and can pay them less

It would be wrong to say that they all voted remain for the same reason.

Bearbehind · 09/10/2018 18:54

boney I'm not saying people voted either way for the same reason.

And whatever their reason at the time, that's over now anyway.

What does bother me is there's still absolutely nothing positive to speak of and we're still ploughing on with it.

BoneyBackJefferson · 09/10/2018 21:41

Bearbehind

Are there really no positives that you can think of or are you just thinking of immediate positives?

Peregrina · 10/10/2018 07:47

Isn't it up to the Leavers to tell us the positives, because they are the ones that voted for it?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/10/2018 08:12

I dont want another vote about leave or remain

I dont see the harm on a vote for the terms of a deal

Even if they did do a complete rerun of the leave/remain referendum I dont really know why so many people who originally voted leave are so very frightened of the potential results

Leave 'won', is there no confidence that it would happen again? Surely it would be a leave landslide if there are no positives to remaining

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/10/2018 08:12

Oh really honestly sorry

That should obviously read SOME people who voted leave originally....

BoneyBackJefferson · 10/10/2018 19:10

Peregrina

How would anyone on the internet know what you find positive?

Peregrina · 10/10/2018 19:28

Well they should know what they find positive! Otherwise, why did they vote leave?
OK we know:
Take back control,
Make our own laws
Control immigration
Spend the money on the NHS.

But ideally it would be good to see 'take back control by....'[whatever you want to see controlled, which the EU is stopping you from doing. Not something which is Westminster stopping you from doing.]

Or a law which the EU has stopped us making. I can't think of any but I assume there must be hundreds for it to have been a claim to have featured so prominently.

So what are you doing to see that the money will be spent on the NHS? Writing to your MP? Demonstrating to keep a local hospital open? Taking part in consultations to keep a hospital open?

BoneyBackJefferson · 10/10/2018 22:12

Peregrina

But its not about what they find positive, its about you finding something that you find positive in it.

For example, I don't find anything positive in the current state of UK politics, whether its education, NHS, tax, or bin collections.

Nothing anyone has said has made me think that UK politics is shit, and unless I can see some light at the end of the tunnel it will remain that way.

Brexit is the same, if you can't see a positive nothing anyone will say will change your mind.

Peregrina · 10/10/2018 22:33

I can't agree. I voted Remain. I can't see anything positive in Brexit and am waiting for a Leaver to tell me. If there was genuinely more money for the NHS - then yes, I would agree, that is a positive.

Brexit isn't the same as UK politics. If we don't like the current Government we can vote them out, at least every five years or sooner. As indeed my constituency did its bit to do, and helped May to lose her majority. The Referendum result is apparently cast in stone for all time.

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