to think its great that these celebrities are sponsoring coaches to the People's Vote March in London

[HurricaneFloss]

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/06/stars-line-up-to-pay-coach-travel-to-brexit-peoples-vote-march

Good on you, Sir Patrick Stewart and Delia Smith!

Not just celebrities - some politicians and business owners, too.

@surferjet I researched online from various different sources.

You're avoiding providing actual facts and statistics yourself by mudslinging.

I'll ask again, can you provide facts to back up your argument that the UK will be better off?

However that's the only source I can find that suggests remain did anything wrong. While at least 100 plus showing leave broke the law.

You’d need a significant win to make it worthwhile

This surfer is an extremely good point.

For votes with extremely long-term consequences a simple majority vote is not enough.

It's quite simple-ahead of the referendum, voters needed a detailed plan for how Britain’s exit from the EU would work. There wasn't one, and still isn't.

@BadLad

I never said it was an ‘illegal referendum’. Do keep up

That's why I quoted someone else (unless you've changed your name).

Do keep up.

@surferjet you also haven't addressed my previous question about your argument being that a 48-52 vote not being strong enough to instigate change.

I'm asking for a reasoned debate here, but you're not producing valid arguments but simply repeating soundbites and blindly dismissing genuine statistics in favour of your own, unbacked, ideal.

THIS is why so many people are getting anxious, all statistics point towards a huge failure and no one can seem to counteract the argument that its going to be a complete nightmare.

I'm genuinely asking for you to PROVE your argument that the UK will be better off.
Because if Brexit is going ahead, it benefits us all for it to be the right decision

all statistics point towards a huge failure

In any other business or commercial context you wouldn't take the risk. The only point in taking a high risk is if there's a huge potential benefit.

We were the 5 th strongest economy and have dropped to 7 th (since the referendum and the consequent fall in the pound).

By taking this immense risk will we ascend to 4th, 3rd, 2nd or 1 st place? Very unlikely. So why take the risk?

What will happen if the margins for the second vote is the same as the first.

I voted remain, but what if the percentages are exactly the same in this vote just the other way round? Then technically there should be another vote again

This is where Scottish nationalists have to tread extremely carefully. They have to somehow ask for a bigger mandate for brexit, while simultaneously insisting that 52% of the population voting for say, Scottish Independence, is an unequivocal majority.

all statistics point towards a huge failure

how can their be statistics about something that hasn't happened??I think you mean opinions , and all 'opinions' are clearly not saying the same thing or else 'leave' would not have won

'there be' doh!

I am guessing that Anothercareer was referring concisely to the government's own stats or projections?

These of course showed that on any Brexit scenario we'd be worse off. So for example after 15 years annual net borrowing would be around £20bn higher under the EEA option, £60bn higher under the free trade agreement option and more than £80bn higher under the WTO option.

@FruitofAutumn

The statistics I posted earlier are the government's own projections.

Seriously though, has anyone ever seen a thread where a leaver has actually posted a reasoned argument using facts and figures, and not just disappeared when asked?

AnotherCareerThread

I’ve seen 100’s.
But anything a leaver says just gets rubbished by remainers, no matter how reasoned their argument.
Hence why hardly any leavers bother commenting on these threads anymore.

Oh, & btw. No one has to answer to you, not sure who you think you are

@surferjet

Then give an example.

Use the search function & look through the 100’s of other threads on this subject.
Or better still, get off the internet & do something constructive.

Because your whinging & moaning on here is getting you precisely nowhere.

@surferjet and your refusal to prove your own argument shows that you actually have no validation for it.

PMSL surfer

You know there has never been a reason given by Leavers which stands up to any kind of scrutiny.

It's all just feelings and emotions with an unsurpassed determination to avoid any facts but just cross your fingers and hope for the best.

For example, what evidence is there that the supply of insulin will be undisturbed?

The government has admitted it will have to stock pile medicines- what happens if those stock run out and supply has not been restored?

The whinging and moaning seems to be having some effect...

uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-polls-show-britain-wants-to-remain-in-eu-2018-9

You know there has never been a reason given by Leavers which stands up to any kind of scrutiny

Then you’re looking in the wrong place for your arguments - Mumsnet clearly doesn’t have the calibre of poster you need, so why do you keep looking for answers on here?

*.The statistics I posted earlier are the government's own projections.

Projections are not statistics, they are opinions

For no other reason than to wind you up surfer 😂

@surferjet can we take your refusal to quote any facts/statistics etc as admission that you don't have any?

AnotherCareerThread
I voted leave because I didn’t want to be in the EU anymore. That’s my reason, take it or leave it.

And Bearbehind yes you do post on here just to wind leavers up, I’m glad you’ve finally admitted it.
Not that you do wind us up, most leavers just roll their eyes and move on.

MN is, on the whole, a remain echo chamber.