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...to want to rehome 1 of our dogs before baby gets here?

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WaveEquation · 30/09/2018 08:44

So, we’ve got 3 dogs and our first baby on the way (due in January). Dog 1 is an ancient old bull terrier mix and the gentlest animal on the face of the earth; he was diagnosed with kidney failure two years ago and has held on with a modified diet but probably won’t make it until the baby comes. Dog 2 is a 9yo rescue greyhound and the absolute omega of the household; a very easy dog who just wants to be in the same room as you, preferably lying on the floor impersonating a carpet. Dog 3 is a lurcher we got a year ago to replace Dog 1, who seemed to be on his last legs even back then. We were told by the rescue charity that he had been a stray and had been rehomed once but was returned after 1.5 years due to destructive behaviour in the house, but needed a home with other dogs. It quickly became clear Dog 3 had been abused, as he was extremely fearful of my father-in-law (nipped him on the wrist when he tried to pet him) and cringes when you raise your arm, etc. He is also extremely aggressive towards dogs he doesn’t know well and lunges & barks ferociously on walks unless we actively avoid other dogs (and he’ll attack if any dog gets within range). Most of the time he likes Dogs 1 & 2 but he has drawn blood from them on about 6 occasions due to resource-guarding—food, toys, his bed, the sofa, and most recently the kitchen bin, which he sometimes gets into despite our best efforts to remember to keep the kitchen door shut. We’ve made huge efforts already to “fight-proof” our lifestyles by not having the dogs around our food, supervising who goes in which bed, etc., but it’s impossible to remove all the things he guards (I mean, poor old Dog 1 needs a bed for his old bones!). He absolutely adores people (except older men until he trusts them) and has been good with kids that he’s met, though he’s never met any under the age of about 5, and of course by that age they’re taller than he is so he clearly can see that they’re higher in the pecking order than he is.

My fear is that when the baby learns to crawl/walk, she’ll try to climb on the sofa or in his bed, or take a toy from him, or walk too close to the kitchen bin, etc., and he’ll bite her. My husband loves this dog to death and thinks we can just teach the baby not to do those things and “be vigilant” but I just don’t think that’s realistic—even one second of lack of vigilance at the wrong time could be a disaster! ...Or he might love the baby and have no issues because all his issues are with dogs. But how will we know unless we try, and how can we take that risk?

I’m all for rehoming the dog (the charity we got him from promises to take a dog back if needed, and I have 2 friends who’ve met the dog and would be willing to go through the charity to adopt him), or if my husband really won’t agree, crating the dog when the baby is around (though I feel this isn’t fair to the dog, who’s a lovely pet in the right circumstances).

What do you think? AIBU? Should we see how it goes? I don’t want to be the one my husband blames for making him give up his dog.

OP posts:
rookiemere · 30/09/2018 09:37

But in this case there are not one but two people who already know the dog and want to take him on through the dog rescue charity.

AprilKepner · 30/09/2018 09:37

It's obvious you're going to rehome anyway.

You're here to try and make yourself feel better about that decision, but I think you already know YABU.

People like you shouldn't be allowed pets.

WaveEquation · 30/09/2018 09:38

Treacletoots No, he hasn’t ever shown aggression for no reason. Every time he does, it is resource-guarding from the other dogs, who he views as being lower in the pecking order than he is (or at least threatening his position in the pecking order). When he is not guarding a resource, he likes the other dogs. So I worry that I will think he likes and trusts the baby until the baby threatens a resource he wants (the dog bed, the bin, a toy, a spot on the sofa). Maybe he will just acquiesce and accept the baby is dominant over him—as he does with bigger humans—but maybe he will see the baby as easier to push around because she’ll be so much smaller than him at first and unable to issue orders! (With kids he’s met, we get them to give him treats after he obeys a command, which was a recommendation from a trainer we consulted—treats or food only after he does a trick so he learns who is in control of the food.)

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NutElla5x · 30/09/2018 09:39

Dog 3 is a lurcher we got a year ago to replace Dog 1, who seemed to be on his last legs even back then.
This sentence makes you seem so callous to me.Why would you not put your all into making the last few months of your faithful old friends life a happy and peaceful one instead of adding more stress to it's and your life? Poor old thing.Your rescue dog harming him alone would have me thinking about rehoming him,and as you have two friends happy to take him you should do it.

PeakedTooEarly · 30/09/2018 09:39

I think rehoming is a no brainer here OP. You even have someone interested in having him. It sounds like he would benefit from being an only dog.
I recently lost my old boy and dog 2 is a completely different character as an only dog and is so much more chilled out and reasonable.

FloPen · 30/09/2018 09:41

I think you're on a hiding to nothing, posting here. Some posters, like me, wonder why you would even consider having this dog with a baby, or even a child. Many others will disagree. I've never known one of these threads have a middle ground.
Having a baby, especially your first, is stressful enough without having to be constantly be aware of what your dog's up to.

serbska · 30/09/2018 09:41

So you got Dog3, became aware “very quickly” (your words) that he had been abused and had behaviour problems, then decided to start a family?

So you’re saying people shouldn’t start a family just because they have a dog? That’s kind of crazy.

LovelyGirlNOT · 30/09/2018 09:41

"I fell pregnant with one that stuck! I’m definitely not sad about that! And if it comes right down to it, I will choose baby over dog every time!"

And so you should

And congratulations OP. I get where you're coming from. Our one and only DS is also our unexpected 'one that stuck!' and you will naturally be uber protective.

And anyone with babies and a dog who's shown signs of aggression should be extra uber protective.

The OP didn't have the hindsight to foresee this situation, but is taking responsibility. Life is not black & white and risks with potentially dangerous dogs shouldn't be taken with children.

I have a relative who has a rescue dog who was abused. The dog is around 6 yrs old now and is very aggressive towards other dogs and children. But she can't have children so it's her baby. But it has attacked my DS and now he has an horrendous phobia of dogs. The relative claims that whatever/whoever the dog attacks, they must have provoked her dog, because her beautiful fur baby can do no wrong. She's in very real danger of being forced to have her dog pts if she doesn't sort his behaviour out. There are so many friends and family who refuse to visit her now for fear of it attacking.

Not all dogs can be tamed. And some people really need to stop seeing dogs as their babies and realise they have a pack animal.

Hepzibahr · 30/09/2018 09:43

I don't think it's a difficult choice. Your dog would go to a loving home. Your baby would be safe.

The alternative option of keeping a dog who is a known risk to your child and the stress of that for everyone, including the dog, is not sensible. IF the worst happened how would you and your husband cope with that knowing that it could have been prevented?

Kidsnowteenagers123 · 30/09/2018 09:44

Personally, I would get an experienced behaviourist in to assess and spend time with your dog and answering your questions. They can evaluate the behaviour and trust issues your dog is having. There is no shame in rehoming a dog if it means a better life for them and you. It must be a difficult decision for you to make but it needs to be in the best interest of the dog and you. At least if you've had the dog evaluated by a professional it may make it easier to feel you're doing the right thing for everyone :)

Stefoscope · 30/09/2018 09:45

Curious as to why the charity thinks this dog should be rehomed with other dogs? It sounds like he'd be happiest as an only dog with no small children. If one of your friends doesn't have other dogs and small children I'd try to work with the rescue to transition him over to them gradually.

BewareOfDragons · 30/09/2018 09:45

My fear is that when the baby learns to crawl/walk, she’ll try to climb on the sofa or in his bed, or take a toy from him, or walk too close to the kitchen bin, etc., and he’ll bite her. My husband loves this dog to death and thinks we can just teach the baby not to do those things and “be vigilant”

Your DH is an idiot.

Imagine, trying to teach a baby not to act like a baby.

Idiot.

The dog needs to be rehomed or put down based on your description of the animal. It should have been done before, frankly, if he's attacking your other dogs.

Gersemi · 30/09/2018 09:45

I hope 5SleepingLions won't mind me copying and pasting a very relevant post of hers on another thread:

my ds was mauled by a dog at 14 months old and has horrific scars from his face to his bum the attack lasted less than 30 seconds and all he did was hand the dog a biscuit.
until that day she was the soppiest dog ever.
she had never shown any aggression to anybody.
the vet gave her a full examination before she was put down and the vet put it down to jealousy.

SilverySurfer · 30/09/2018 09:46

Totally agree with AprilKepner

MissWimpyDimple · 30/09/2018 09:46

I can't actually believe that you are even considering keeping dog 3 under the circumstances.

Sorry, but there is no way you will be able to supervise 24/7.

I feel for the dog, but you have to prioritise the baby!

Brazenhussy0 · 30/09/2018 09:47

I’m usually adamant that when you take on an animal, it’s for life. But, I agree with you, OP. I think in these circumstances you would be doing the right thing in rehoming DDog.

Your DH being upset is understandable but you have to make him realise that rehoming is also in the dog’s best interests. This dog needs specific care and safeguards put in place that you won’t be able to do with a small baby/toddler around.

UpstartCrow · 30/09/2018 09:47

Return him to the charity ASAP, he isn't suitable to be around small children. They can look for a child free home for him with someone who understand dogs with his kind of issues.
Dont take any chances, he's a high risk.

WaveEquation · 30/09/2018 09:49

NutElla Believe me, you’re not saying anything I haven’t thought of myself! Every time he has bitten the other two I have cried and felt bad for not being able to protect them better. We got him before Dog 1 was gone because we were genuinely worried about Dog 2 being in her own and we thought some transition time would be helpful, not knowing of course that he would be like this with the other 2. We had pretty strict criteria of what we were looking for (lurcher type to run with Dog 2 the greyhound, male so there would be less possibility of him fighting with her, older, good to rehome with other dogs—which the charity said he was). He didn’t draw blood from them until a couple of months in, and I thought maybe we should give him back at that point but my husband was really against it. So we agreed to keep trying with him and were hoping at that point that modifying our behavior with him would help (but I think we’ve modified all we can now—there’s no other resources we can take away or control to a greater extent!).

OP posts:
Gersemi · 30/09/2018 09:49

It sounds to me as if you would be doing Dogs 1 and 2 a massive favour by rehoming this one.

Stefoscope · 30/09/2018 09:49

Also, make sure said friend is prepared to commit to taking on the challange of said dog and give him a forever home. Make sure they know all of his bad points. My lurcher was stuck in a rescue for 6 years and had been returned at least once. It took about a year for him to settle with us and be fully housetrained.

BitchQueen90 · 30/09/2018 09:51

I would rehome. But I really wish people would think a bit more before getting animals. I see so many threads like these and I always wonder why get one in the first place if you're planning on bringing babies into the mix.

Brazenhussy0 · 30/09/2018 09:52

AprilKepner

People like you shouldn't be allowed pets.

Hmm

Sometimes it's best for the animal to be rehomed - for the animal's sake. Keeping a pet in a situation which may cause it upset and fear, or that might cause it to act in an aggressive way that results in it being PTS, is far crueller than rehoming.

The OP would be doing the right thing by her family and by the dog, in this case.

Pissedoffdotcom · 30/09/2018 09:52

Rehome. I am not one to sit & say that lightly as I have dealt with the fallout of stupid people buying dogs on a whim. However from your OP there has been little to no improvement in the dog's guarding behaviour which means it is probably going to be a lifelong quirk that needs monitoring. Not a good idea with a tiny baby in the house. Dog behaviour can change when kids turn up; a new person in 'stealing' things from the dog could exacerbate his behaviour with shocking consequences. Sounds like ideally he needs an adult only home permanently.

You got the dog through a rescue, if they are decent they will fully understand why you are returning. Believe me when i say any decent rescue would rather take a dog back than put dog and/or baby at risk

stiltonontoast · 30/09/2018 09:54

I do feel for you OP, its a tricky situation but I really think problem doggo needs to be rehomed - for his own good as well as yours, the new baby and the current dogs. Its all of you against your DH.

TaighNamGastaOrt · 30/09/2018 09:55

This would have been better in the doghouse op, you would have been understood better.
I had a rescue dog when I had ds, she was brilliant with him tho. It is hard to balance dogs and babies tho. DH had to re-home his Springer when my dsd was a baby as he developed rage syndrome around the baby.
Think you know in your heart you need to re-home him. The charity won't PTS, there are people interested in him, you are not being cruel. The fact he's gone for your old dog too just confirms he's not the right fit.
Don't feel bad or heed the numpties saying you shouldn't have dogs. This will be best for dog, baby and you.