To think that if your thread is about a feminist issue you should post on the feminist board

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Just that really. Too many feminist board type threads disguised as AIBUs, but really wanting to bash trans or whoever they feel like hating on right now.

Let’s just all be who we are and lead a happy life.

Shall Most of the issues though that MN feminists are concerned about are similar to GG.

No one has a problem with someone wanting to change their name or wear different clothes.

They do have a problem when hitherto single sex spaces are being removed by stealth (cf GG), or where things like women's sport now has male-bodied people competing.

There is also concern that vulnerable teenagers are being encouraged by some organisations into medical intervention which has lifelong effects, at a time when their minds are going through puberty which as anyone who has had contact with teenagers knows, is a time of great confusion and change for many.

What the heck is namalt? Men abuse women. Women abuse men. People abuse people.

This simply isn't true. Which is why Feminism is working for you, despite your antipathy.

It's simple maths. 98 versus 2.

98% of sexually violent crime is committed by men, and 2% by women.

There are 14,000 men in prison for sex offences and 120 women.

"This public information was brought you by Feminism".

I don’t know. Maybe I am unreasonable. It would be nice to just get on with everyone. I hate to think people are getting upset and all the feminists seem to just get angry about it all. This thread has shown that people think I am some kind of misogynistic person because I made it to say how I felt and was I being unreasonable about it.

Jacques, I feel sorry for your friend (and everyone in the same position) as a certain group of people have made it impossible for them. They are not the trans women telling people to suck their lady dick and asking for trigger warnings to be put on tampon adverts for including the word woman but as the people doing that also call themselves trans women they are all lumped together. The whole thing is terrible for women and trans women, I wish someone had the answer to stop the madness.

ofclock In what way is letting a male bodied teenager share with female bodied teenagers on a guide camp without the consent of the parents of the female not throwing safeguarding out of the window?

Datun I appreciate your figures but sexual violence is only one element of offending.

I feel I should point out that the serial rapist and paedophile Karen White was sent to a female prison, where they sexually assaulted four women, for which they have been convicted.

This public information was brought you by transactivism.

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Ok take regular violence. 90% of that is also committed by men.

Who is saying that commissioner?! Why are they doing it? That’s not nice at all. I don’t get why people have to be so rude.

So to put it another way OP, you want censorship because you don’t approve.

I tell you what OP, here’s another thing you might try: If you are so convinced about the tightness of your opinions surely you are able to form a logical, coherent and persuasive argument why that is. If you can do that then there’s no point censoring them because you will win people over and increase support for the trans lobby and self ID right???

Problem is I have never actually seen anybody make a logical, coherent and persuasive argument for women’s concerns over self-ID. I suspect that might be why the trans lobby is so in favour of silencing women, keeping as many women as possible ignorant of these issues with a liberal sprinklings of threats, abuse and intimidation with violence as they cherry on top.

YABU. Probably the majority of threads on AIBU and also Chat could go into one of the subforums, but people only seem to think this is a problem when it's discussion of a subject they don't like. Funny that.

Also I'm sorry, but what on earth made you start this thread if you're fed up with threads you view as anti-trans in AIBU? I mean, it's not going to go your way, is it? All you've done is created another one.

Geraldine, maybe because I don’t really care whether someone identifies as a man woman or anything. It makes no difference to me as long as they’re like Jacques’ friend and just get on with life nicely. I disapprove of anyone who commits crime regardless of their penis status.

Shalli I think you will find that Datun can provide you stats on almost all rates of offending... sexual or otherwise.

As of 2012, there may be more recent figures, 85% of all crimes in England and Wales, 88% of crimes against the person, 90% of murders, and 98% of sexual offences wee committed by men!

Most crimes, statistically, will be committed by men rather than women.

But the reason for sex segregation, is based on violence and sexual violence. The risk of it. That's why we have it.

Because most women understand that, usually through personal experience, they're uncomfortable when vulnerable/naked/incarcerated with men in the same space.

Assigned, that’s true. I guess I just want to understand more

I love that chart Datun Gender of offender, indeed!

I don't mind the feminist threads - they're important.

As for the "OMG should I go to MIL for Christmas and should I boil or fry my sprouts" threads, they can fuck right off to the Christmas boards.

I know! Whenever I see that, it now jars tremendously.

Sorry I meant the gender thing, not the sprouts thing.

Although...

But it was the word that Peaked DH!

He was completely thrown by it. Apparently had quite a loud argument with the HR bod trying to get him to complete a form. Suggested that if they wanted him to be something other than 'male' they needed to define their terms, cos he wasn't going to guess on an official form!

And then he supplied them with the EA2010... they have now changed the form. I suspect DH of having primed his colleagues, engineers, male. to a man

Exactly.

'Define terms' is really the end of the argument.

No one can do it.

That is the whole point, there is a whole new group of 'trans women' who are nothing like Jacques friend. They want to ban the word woman, they want to access women's spaces with their beard and penis and traditionally male name is place, they want to be on all women short lists, they want to sleep in tents with little girls, they want to be in women's prisons to rape them.

There is a group of people who identify as women AND are trans age and identify as little girls.

There is a group of people sharing a document on how to break down barriers to be accepted as women despite having beards and penises and 'male' clothing as the first step to breaking down barriers to have pedophilia added onto LGBT so it is LGBTP.

There are trans women who have lived peacefully for years and shared women's bathrooms and been largely accepted and happy to be trans women a group of people within the group of people called women and there are now 'trans women' who want to be called women while we are called cis women. Who want to take the small spaces and the hard won achievements of women. There are trans women who say women should give up their positions as ceo and chairperson to them as it is harder to be a trans woman.

That is why I feel sorry for women and trans women because this group are going to destroy both sets of people if this continues.

Trans age? I’m even more confused now.

Maybe I have been wrong all along. I just thought that people were getting angry about people who feel they’ve been born the wrong gender.

Whatever happened to live and let live, accepting each other as individuals and, you know, a little bit of kindness?
I think that went out the window when a certain group of people decided that improving their rights meant eroding ours.

Sorry I don’t think I have read it right. Are you saying a grown man who now says he’s a little girl? Is this right?