To think that if your thread is about a feminist issue you should post on the feminist board

[Shallishanti123]

Just that really. Too many feminist board type threads disguised as AIBUs, but really wanting to bash trans or whoever they feel like hating on right now.

Let’s just all be who we are and lead a happy life.

It’s the fear that the person next to you in dotty p’s changing room may have a penis etc. Don’t you think that person has a hard enough life as it is?

And if the person on the other side of the changing room is a rape survivor? Have they had a hard enough life to warrant some consideration of their need for a penis-free space, or is it just men who are worthy of that?

I don’t like posters telling other mn users where and what they should post. You don’t own the site... so YABU. Either don’t read, or report if you think it needs reporting.

Why do people appoint themselves as forum police??

How do you know the difference between the person with a penis in the changing room next to you who has had a hard life and is struggling with their body/mental health/wants to live as a woman and the person with a penis in the changing room next to you who sees saying 'I am a woman because I feel like I am' an easy way to access women's only spaces to abuse and rape them?

This happened with a man saying he felt like a woman so he was a woman and being given access to a women's refuge to volunteer or work I forget which and abused the residents.

I agree with you fully Shalli (although would prefer the feminism boards to also be full of actual feminism and no hate speech there). Mumsnet has become an echo chamber for hate, and whilst I'm deeply saddened by it, I'm also bored.

Oh you mean like you’re doing now, ethel?

I don’t, slapbet, no one knows what the person next to them is capable of.

I just don’t know what is for the best.

ofclock - so you have no issue with girl guides throwing basic safeguarding out of the window and having mixed sex sleeping without parents knowledge or consent?

Someone on another thread said young trans people read mumsnet and get upset about what’s said about the issues. That makes me sad. To think a young person who is struggling is being made to feel worse. Surely we can help them somehow?

And young women who read tweets telling them to fuck off and dies, suck lady dick etc? How do you think the feel? To think any young person is threatened with real life violence is much worse, isn't it?

Young men can simply opt not to read Mumsnet. It is a niche platform. It is also one of the few 'safe' online spaces to discuss truly feminist issues. Why muzzle it?

Twitter is not at all niche... nobody would suggest that young women simply stop using social media, would they?

Honestly - MN feminists are kind and empathetic. They really do want proper resources and fairness, particularly for children struggling in any way.

Concrete, I think you’re right there and maybe most of the threads aren’t created by the real feminists.

Mumsnet has become an echo chamber for hate, and whilst I'm deeply saddened by it, I'm also bored.

Do you really mean to say that, when we have so recently learned of the real life harm men have done whilst claiming to be women, when GGs decide that parents have no right to know that they have decided to be a mixed sex organisation, when the very word 'woman' has been declared hate speech, that you are bored ?

Tell me again, which of the hard won rights for women you might choose to stand up and fight for?

YABU

This thread smacks of “women know your place. Pretty much a true reflection of society right now.

Someone on another thread said young trans people read mumsnet and get upset about what’s said about the issues. That makes me sad. To think a young person who is struggling is being made to feel worse. Surely we can help them them somehow?

Are you serious?

I’d suggest you and the mythical upset trans person start reading stuff that doesn’t validate their thinking to get a balanced view. I totally agree in live and let live - it’s trans rights that are infringing on safeguarding not the other way round.

Teen, they’re not saying that though are they?

This is the kind of post I mean... so because ofclock says they think MN is hateful, you think they think that she has no issue with the lack of safeguarding? That’s a very strange thought process.

But girls and women have a right to be worried about sharing changing rooms with bepenised individuals. Bepenised individuals have serious form for all levels of assault starting from holding cameras under our doors to photograph us. Overwhelmingly girls don't do that to girls bepenised people do so we must be allowed to keep safe species. Trans identifying individuals should fight for their own spaces not open the doors for perverts to prey. I fully support trans rights but not where it erodes women's rights.

I think what is for the best is to forget men and women. Forget male and female. Have one place for everyone with a penis to change and use the toilet and one place for everyone with a vagina to change and use the toilet however it is not up to me it is up to the people who want people to be able to use whatever spaces they feel like (except some girls aren't allowed to be in the guides, some women are not allowed to access clubs such as the masons and some women are not allowed to access benefits such as being passed a title). So for now I will continue to support those who have more influence than me who voice these concerns and I will do it wherever necessary to be honest.

Women are attacked and abused on a huge scale and rather than doing anything to address it people with penises who have raped and killed and abused are being put in prisons with the very class of people they rape kill and abuse.

Primary aged girls are being attacked and raped daily (I think the statistic was 2 rapes reported per day from primary schools in the UK) and yet that same class of girl is expected to share toilets and tents with the very class of people attacking them.

Jacques. I am a woman. I am not a trans. Nor do I know any trans people.

No - I was telling you that you are BU. I mean, you did ask

Teen - I would have a problem with Girlguiding throwing basic safeguarding out the window, but luckily they haven't. I'm a youth work professional (with a different youth org) and I have nothing but respect for their policies and for how they've handled this.

Jacques. I am a woman. I am not a trans. Nor do I know any trans people

Which makes the thread even more crackers. You want to tell other women what they can post and where over people you don’t know?

Champion.

And also to echo a previous poster when the word woman or girl is classed as hate speech or given a trigger/content warning it is clearly not the time to sit back and allow it to carry on, it is the time to stand up and say it is wrong.

YABU

Women as human beings have freedom of speech which is a basic human right. We’ll discuss what we like, where we like thank you very much.

You’re welcome here and no one’s trying to banish you to a handmaidens hangout so the FWR regulars are welcome here too.

Just as we’re doing the “who I do and don’t know” thing, I know a trans woman. She doesn’t believe she’s a woman. She doesn’t expect unquestioned access to female spaces. She expects to be allowed to live her life without persecution.

This thread is about use of the website, so by your own logic you should have posted in Site Stuff

This!