To think that if your thread is about a feminist issue you should post on the feminist board

[Shallishanti123]

Just that really. Too many feminist board type threads disguised as AIBUs, but really wanting to bash trans or whoever they feel like hating on right now.

Let’s just all be who we are and lead a happy life.

CuriousaboutSamphire

Please do post evidence to suggest that trans rights pose a threat to woman greater than any other.

It's exactly things like this which turn people away from the feminist boards, completely out of touch, no evidence based argument.

@Slap is right. This has all happened very, very quickly. Part of the reason it has become so talked about it because people genuinely don't know or understand what the TRA movement is doing. I've probably shared countless spaces with genuinely dysphoric males that identify as women. But that is a courtesy, an unspoken agreement that I will acknowledge their name, pronoun and chosen presentation as truth because they are no risk to me. They just want to pee and leave and would be horrified that I thought they were a threat. But that is because we allow it, not because they are entitled to it. That understanding is no longer the case. Now we're being expected to share these spaces with men that enjoy having their penis and flashing it from under their short skirt at the unsuspecting woman who was just trying to be nice. Being expected to accept that men are going to raid sanitary bins for our discarded pads and tampons so they can wear them to 'feel womanly'. Being expected to move over so they can role play at what they think girlhood and womanhood really is. I don't want them in my spaces and if I have daughters I want them to feel safe in public, not to be called bigots because they are scared of the man who is there to hurt them.

No I don't agree OP.

I lurk mainly but usually on chat or AIBU.

So I have learned a lot from these threads being in the main boards.

This affects us all.

And? Many others will use the site because it allows the topic to be discussed.

Well, maybe not... have you seen the muzzling speech restrictions that now apply on the FWR boards? Many long term GC posters have been banned, some permanently, because some men launched a concerted effort to get MN to ban all discussion about it.

Are you really happy that men can effectively stop women from talking about anything ?

You are so right Curious! I too thought like the OP, and my ‘Peak Trans’ moment came about 12 months ago, largely thanks to the many eloquent and knowledgeable posters here. Hopefully OP’s eyes will soon be opened too. Clear evidence that these discussions should remain on AIBU...had they stayed confined to the Feminism boards (which I don’t visit) then I’d still be in the dark now.

Holes I didn't say that, not anywhere! If you show me which post, sentence or word you read that way I will show why you have mis read it. Mainly as I don't believe that - and have said as much multiple time on this thread alone!

Holes Please do post evidence to suggest that trans rights pose a threat to woman greater than any other.

I don't know about other people, but the push away from the definition of what a woman actually is, seems like quite a threat to women to me.

As soon as you move away from biology to 'feelings' what a woman actually is gets a bit difficult to define doesn't it?

Shalli - I hope you're OK. It really is tough to get your head round some of this - it certainly was for me.

There is a government consulation going on at the minute about changing the law:
consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/

I was only aware of it because of a AIBU thread on putting convited rapists in women's prisons.

Somn of the questions are worded very oddly so -
fairplayforwomen.com/
was useful in understanding what was being asked in places.

There seems to be a lot in the media about violent or sexual women doing things that I am amazed a woman would do.

Then I look at the photos and it's clearly not a woman at all.

How is this allowed to happen?

Surely this is misleading?

Please do post evidence to suggest that trans rights pose a threat to woman greater than any other

What rights don't trans people have?

And why is accessing vulnerable and/or half naked women and girls soooo important to them?

Oh! Holes did you think I meant trans individuals pose the greatest threat? No, trans ideology the attempt to redefine woman as being a feeling, removing the sex based protections women have.

Oh another thread telling women to shut up. Lovely.

*And? Many others will use the site because it allows the topic to be discussed.

Well, maybe not... have you seen the muzzling speech restrictions that now apply on the FWR boards? Many long term GC posters have been banned, some permanently, because some men launched a concerted effort to get MN to ban all discussion about it.

Are you really happy that men can effectively stop women from talking about anything ?*

RE. first bit: Yes, then the people who don't want to read the trans thread every other thread will jump ship, MN will become known for being a place to talk about trans issues and more like-minded people will join and it'll turn into a giant boring echo chamber where the bulk of discussion is about trans issues and you won't be allowed over the threshold if you dare disagree with the MN line.

RE. the other bit, I don't know what you're referring to (those abbreviations mean nothing to me and Google says the first one is to do with tyres) therefore your extrapolation that my comments so far indicate I may be "really happy that men can effectively stop women from talking about anything ?" requires some quite spectacular mental gymnastics.

On a serious note I would hope the people claiming to have "learned" from MN would seek a proper informative source too. MN is a bubble chamber of one opinion, it is not generally fact or evidence based. Form whatever opinion you like but not because one particular voice has been screaming it at you from AIBU.

And why is accessing vulnerable and/or half naked women and girls soooo important to them?

Because if someone who is presenting as a man enters the women toilets or changing rooms they'll be at serious risk of physical harm (statistically that are far greater risk of assault than you or I).

YABU.
Engage with the real issue which is safeguarding.
Very much a public issue, affecting the lives of women, children and their male relatives.

If you are referring to me I did venture over to Twitter where I saw some truly horrific people.

Men with fake breasts and erect penises on their timelines posing pretending to be women. Wearing skirts with their penis hanging out. And dresses in kitchens with pretend breasts out.

It offended me so much I haven't been there since.

Absolutely offensive to women to appropriate their bodies in this way.

The whole tone of your comment is plain nasty. It's more than possible to be against someone accessing a changing room without being so downright nasty. You can't possibly be so lacking in empathy or intelligence that you can't understand why someone who feels like a man wants to use men's facilities or someone vice versa. You may have reasons why they shouldn't but to show so much contempt to a vulnerable section of society shows you up as someone who is acting in an irrational and emotive (and downright unpleasant) fashion.

holes in the uk there are more trans woman in prison for murder. Than have been murdered.

No transwomen in the UK have been killed in toilets. They are perfectly safe in the men's where they belong.

don't know what you're referring to (those abbreviations mean nothing to me So you are commenting on the feminist boards with no knowledge of them? That isn't my fault.

FWR = the part of MN the feminist boards live in
GC = Gender Critical

And it is those women who are disappearing after a group of determined men publicly launched a campaign to have them shit down, here and many other social media sites too, some were threatened in real life too, physical violence and 'reporting to their employers'.

Holes so you don't want to read the links included in those posts, the reality of what is happening right now, things that some people still insist 'will never happen'?

Holes The NSPCC and GGUK will NOT explain their reasoning on their huge Uturn about safeguarding. This really bothers me.

In terms of "trans ideology" feminists make very bold unsubstantiated statements in one direction and extreme trans activitists make equally unsubstantiated claims in the other. There are early pieces of research which show some differences in brain structure in trans individuals which make them more similar to a typical male brain. There are certainly pronounced early differences in individuals who later identify as trans. and it causes very real, very extreme emotional and psychological distress to these individuals which can be eased by presenting as the opposite gender. What the correct way to deal with this is (and whether it's a physical or psychological issue is) hasn't been at all established. What is clear is that some of you are unable to consider the real suffering endured by these people. By all means look at possible risks but do so in an evidenced based manner and consider everyone's feelings not just your own. Use respectful language.

• should say this early research is suggestive but by no means proof at this stage.

And by the way men commit rapes = most men present a massive danger to women is not evidence based.