To think that if Girl Guides is for girls, it should allow all girls to be members?

[OrchidInTheSun]

Girl guides have confirmed that if a girl identifies as a boy, they'll kick them out.

So they are no longer a single sex organisation, they are a single gender one.

Mad

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ban-for-girl-guides-who-identify-as-boys-dlj8mjk23

Archeryannie which is exactly what I proposed but was told was not possible.

If it is possible, Swissgemma, then I support you wholeheartedly in getting on with it. I look forward to what you will come up with.

I'm not so worried about the trans risk in the guides case.All the girls would know if someone was trans and need to really if that person is to get support.
The idea if secrecy from the top of the guiding movement dies none any favours.
However ,my DD was in brownies and Guides because 4/5 of her class at school were boys.The few girls were separated and did group work with the boys.She said they messed around and she did all the serious work but when it came to group decisions the boys didn't listen to her.
So guides was an even playing field where she could find a voice.The problem with transforms is that they still dominate,not there fault as it is the way we bring up children still but that is no help to the philosophy if the Guides which is to teach them to be strong young women with the confidence to thrive.

Transgirls not transforms-auto correct hasn't got it yet!

@NoSquirrels The rules and regulations of most large organisations are filled with instructions relating to scenarios that very, very rarely occur within the organisation. The objections to GG policies relating to transgender guides in this thread often seems to be ideological. Posters in this thread do no believe in that there can be the social category of girl/womanhood that includes transgender girls, and that there does not exist a social category of boy/manhood that includes transgender boys. GG the organisation does not hold this view. But I think all of this need to be weighed against the seeming reality that 99% percent of GG groups will never contain a transgender member.

One of my brownies later transitioned. I would have her in my current unit in a heartbeat. Guides is exactly what she needs and she is blatantly a girl, whatever she insists on being called.
A guiding colleague has twins in her unit. One girl, one boy. Except the boy was transed at a very early age (presumably because he preferred the options his sister was being presented with and was desperately unhappy in the way only pre-schoolers can be when the things they like are denied them by conservative parents ). Anyhoo. At rainbow age all the guiders were scoffing the woke cookies and congratulating themselves. After all, a five year old is a five year old. They aren’t rampant teenagers. The twins have entered guides this year. It is slowly dawning on people that what was not really a matter of concern years ago is about to become a giant great issue. He’s entering puberty. And so are his peers. After years of not really thinking about whether he is a girl or not, the girls are suddenly waking up and realizing that he isn’t actually a girl, and it’s causing pretty awful dynamics. They want to support ‘her’ as that’s a nice thing to do, but they are increasingly uncomfortable and their behaviour towards him is starting to affect their own ability to get the most out of guides.
Shouldn’t ever have happened, of course. Transing a 3 or 4 year old is bloody criminal. This poor boy has been led right along the garden path. How can he possibly go back now? He’s been completely sold a lie and his peers are waking up to it.
Poor guy.
And poor girls having to dance around the problem and having their own experiences conplicated as a result.

Marmaryllis
That’s dreadful. Those poor children. It just makes me want to take them home and look after them. Not that I can or would be able to do anything. I just want to do something.

What resources has guides made available to help your colleague's group work through the situation?

How was the transgender girl allowed to enrol in guides 4-6ish years ago? It's my understanding that guides only officially allowed trans children to join last year, so clearly some rules were bent in this instance.

@seventhgonickname Transgirls not transforms-auto correct hasn't got it yet!

Tbh if I was trans I would have lobbied to be called a Transformer because they sound way cooler than Transgender!

girls never have a penis. The definition of girl is a child with female sex organs. How else would you define girl. 'Girl' isn't a feeling, it is a biological reality.

I asked that. She has inherited the status quo. It’s a rural community with small units and the child was just registered with his sister under a female name. Everyone knew he was a boy, but he has been treated as if he were a girl throughout. (I assume because they thought they were being nice and progressive, and what was the harm, etc.)
It’s not part of my district. I met her at a larger event. I actually don’t even know why the conversation came up as it was about 6 months ago. It was an interesting discussion. Most of the guiders I mix with are extremely pro gender ideology which I find hard - but these are also guiders who are dealing in the theoretical only. Like Swiss, they believe in a utopia where gender does not pose a problem and is a salve for those struggling with dysphoria. The reality (exclusion of females from faith communities, more conservative families, abuse victims and looked after children, and puberty) is a lot harder.
I don’t know if she has approached anyone for support (I haven’t seen her since the event) and at the time the issue was just rearing it’s head.
To my knowledge my community only has ftm trans children (I know several personally). . We have a lot of mtf adults who make a great display of ‘performing’ femininity though. I would frankly be horrified if any of them applied to be a leader. Someone who places such a high regard in over the top performance of damaging stereotypes is not a suitable role model for girls and young women.