To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

It's not going to happen, we've had the referendum.

Seriously MN. People will now be reported for having a different point of view from hard remainers? Were you people never told 'no' as a child?! Sometimes things don't go your way. The UK has had its vote on this issue whether you agree with the question or the outcome.

We now make the best of whatever comes next. We hold our governments of the future to account.

Move this thread to Brexit perhaps HQ? Please?

Never mind 'future governments' - how about we hold the current govt to account, the one that got us into this fucking mess in the first place?

The paranoia is just bizarre. No, Russia has not hacked MN. Some people have differing opinions

I AM a remainer (& not even slightly Russian) but find the dramatics on here around Brexit so tedious.

These threads cannot be moved to brexit each time. This is the biggest thing that has happened in many of our lifetimes and it has the potential to send this country spiralling into recession. Its important and those who know they've fucked up and now want to stick their head in the sand shouldn't be able to stifle debate like that.

I am incredibly worried about Brexit. I think the likelihood is that we will crash out and that our currency will go into freefall and we will see years of recession. However I don't think there's a hope in hells chance of a second referendum. The last one wasn't such a good plan.

The only reason Corbyn and the like are saying they'd go along with it is that it enables them to say "well I said we should have a second referendum.."

Even if it did happen and the result was to remain, then on what terms? The EU would want us in Schengen, the Euro and fully signed up to further integration. We would also have to up our contribution. Not worth it.

No they wouldn't. On what basis? You've just completely made that up.

I agree with the poster in bold. Why would EU let us rejoin without getting something extra out of it? We'd be going to them begging to be let back in. And it would serve a good lesson to other members thinking of leaving.

We wouldn't be 'rejoining' though. If we had another vote before 29th March 2019 and it turned to Remain, we would revoke Art 50. We would remain on the same terms, because we wouldn't have ever left in the first place.

However, if we do actually leave at the end of March then, yes, it's absolutely inevitable that we'd only be able to rejoin on the basis of taking the euro, schengen etc. We would have lost forever all of the many exemptions we currently have.

We have a ridiculously sweet deal at the moment. The idea that we can 'give Brexit a go' and then just rejoin if we don't like it is yet another Leaver fantasy. I'm sick of them.

I'd love to wake up and find this was all a bad dream but know that's not going to happen. I'd dearly love the government and all other parties to come up with workable solutions to Brexit that won't leave us screwed. I'm still waiting to be given that confidence and suggestions that the government will just come along and bail us all out, or that we can just ask to be let back in to the EU again like nothing ever happened are doing nothing to help. If anyone can point me in the direction of info that can make me less fearful of a shit future I'd be most grateful.

Find it amazing that Europhiles put more faith in foreign officials and foreign unelected bodies than they do their own nationally elected government or a democratic plebiscite. You are all horrendous. The European has dug its own grave this past ten years. We are getting out thank god.

Union

There is no “if” about us leaving on 29 March.

Yes and I'm also sick of people who are bored of brexit wanting threads moved. And who said no one voted to join the EU. Of course they did, back in the 70s!

I think a second referendum will be damaging but it'll be a lot less damaging than Brexit. I think it's dawning on the Tories that their fucked whichever way they move now. If they don't deliver the hardest possible Brexit their members/voters/some MPs won't ever forgive them and if they do it'll fuck the country over and the electorate will never forgive them.

I think the best way forward now is to agree the softest possible Brexit staying in SM and CU as a compromise between leave and remain, this also solves the NI boarder issue. This can be revisited in the years to come if wished and allows time for technology to be developed to solve the NI border if a harder Brexit is wanted.

Fucking hate DC for getting us into this mess.

5Yearplan4000 I'm not a europhile and I am very patriotic. I am however someone who understands a fair amount about economics and works with many businesses. If we crash out that would be disastrous for our country.

Why are remainers so paranoid?

If you voted remain but think a 2nd ref won’t happen you’re clearly a Russian robot.
That’s what they think of you people.
They think you’re incapable of having an opinion or changing your mind.

Btw I'm marching on the 20th October. I don't think it'll make a difference but I can't just do nothing, I want to be able to look my children in the eye in years to come.

I find it amazing that people automatically think their country's government deserves unthinking loyalty whatever it does. That's what I hear when you chuck s about words like 'traitor' and 'europhile'. It's not patriotism it's stupidity.

Shit, am I Russian? I voted remain but don't think we'll get a second referendum because of the barrel of shit that is politics at the moment, not anything to do with how useful it could be.

And for whoever asked, yes I can name my MEP. I researched and voted for him and am happy with his involvement with the EU to date.

And surfer, the Russian bots are spottable if you look carefully. It's not paranoia it happened. www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/rising-alarm-in-britain-over-russian-meddling-in-brexit-vote/2017/11/17/2e987a30-cb34-11e7-b506-8a10ed11ecf5_story.html one link of many.

Kenn I totally agree with you, TM is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I'm not Russian btw

I voted remain. I don't want a second referendum. I did live in Russia for a few years. I will be living and working in Europe at the point of exit.

Things are never cut and dry. Your opinion is no valid than anybody else's.

Are leavers really so naïve as to think that the UK government will benevolently just step in and plug any gaps left by the loss of EU funding when we have left the EU?

Sadly, it seems that many of them are that daft. Have they never heard of "austerity" after all these years of it. We've had years now of governments, mostly Tory ones, who just don't seem to want to spend money on anything at all. How will leaving the EU change that? They are misers and twats while we are in the EU. They won't suddenly change to generous and benevolent once we have left it.

Time for leavers to get their heads out of their arses the sand.

@notangelinajolie

Lalliella why couldn’t you vote?

FinnegansWhiskers asked “Did you vote to join the EU?”, I was answering that question. I was 7 when we joined, and 9 when there was a referendum about remaining or leaving. In the most recent referendum I voted Remain, and will do in the next one too!

Does anyone else think that Theresa May is deliberately doing badly in the negotiations because she wants to abandon the whole thing? At the moment a second referendum isn’t acceptable to her party but if we are faced with crashing out without a deal it would become more palatable. I don’t think she actually wants a deal at all. Or is she not that clever?