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To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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abacucat · 23/09/2018 22:27

I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

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jasjas1973 · 23/09/2018 23:54

@5Yearplan4000

We cannot just re join the EU, it would take decade or more of re negotiation, joining schengen, losing rebate and opt outs, adopting the Euro and then they d all have to agree to our return!

The whole premise of "we voted for it, so we must leave" is stupid and you wouldn't do it in any other walk of life, esp one that affects the next generation who overwhelmingly don't want it

We are being very selfish but then again we ve fucked their environment too so no great surprise.

TheMonkeyMummy · 23/09/2018 23:57

Of course it could happen. When the final offer is on the table, then I think the public should be asked if they want to proceed. That's democracy.

Seniorschoolmum · 24/09/2018 00:01

Even if we rejoined, I don’t think we would join the Euro. Joining the ERM didn’t work did it !

gluteustothemaximus · 24/09/2018 00:04

I don't remember the ballot paper saying:

  1. A shit deal
  2. No fucking deal
  3. Remain

It was a stupid and simple yes or no vote that no one knew what it entailed.

seventhgonickname · 24/09/2018 00:05

As I understand it we haven't enough time to have another referendum by March.
A law has to be passed first so that the government can hold one,there would be lots of political shenanigans over that.Stick Christmas in the middle and there is insufficient time.
The last one split the country.What would we got on?Checkers or no deal,3 way vote putting remain in again.?As for rejoining,I think the rest of the EU would make conditions a lot less favourable.

GretchenFranklin · 24/09/2018 00:06

Leavers were told a great Deal would be reached, during the course of an afternoon tea no less, saving the country 350 million pounds every week.

Well that was a big fat lie it turns out. A giant storm of shit is coming at us and Leavers are still squeaking we can always rejoin like the grown-ups will sort it all out for them.

FinnegansWhiskers · 24/09/2018 00:10

No a second referendum won't happen. The people voted to leave. That's it. No second chance. That's exactly how democracy works... People vote and the majority wins.

GretchenFranklin · 24/09/2018 00:10

EU have indicated they will wait if we want to rethink.

EU have indicated we can remain on the current deal.

A rope has been thrown and we would be nuts to ignore it.

TittyGolightly · 24/09/2018 00:13

If you don't get the result you want from a general election you can't ask for another go. Same for a referendum.

One is legally binding and the other isn’t. Apples and —bendy— bananas.

TheMonkeyMummy · 24/09/2018 00:13

@FinnegansWhiskers no it isn't. That vote was relevant for that period of time. That doesn't make that decision final, forever. That's crackers!

TittyGolightly · 24/09/2018 00:14

That's democracy.

Actually, that’s Direct Democracy. We don’t live in one of those. You elect representatives to make decisions on your behalf. And this shower of shit shows exactly why.

FinnegansWhiskers · 24/09/2018 00:18

@FinnegansWhiskers no it isn't. That vote was relevant for that period of time. That doesn't make that decision final, forever. That's crackers!

So you think there will be another vote then... Why exactly do you think that will happen? Do you think TM is busting a gut in Europe if it was that simple??

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abacucat · 24/09/2018 00:19

Yes we can not simply rejoin. And even if it was agreed, we could lose the favourable terms we already have.
Saying we can rejoin is like saying to your DP I want a divorce, but thinking privately, if I don't like being divorced, I can just remarry my DP again.

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TheMonkeyMummy · 24/09/2018 00:23

I would like to think that TM/British government could get their shit together.

But I live in Switzerland (which is a direct democracy), where votes are held regularly, without any great fuss.

@abacucat exactly. It isn't as simple as people would like to believe

SwedishEdith · 24/09/2018 00:23

Even if it did happen and the result was to remain, then on what terms? The EU would want us in Schengen, the Euro and fully signed up to further integration. We would also have to up our contribution. Not worth it.

No they wouldn't. On what basis? You've just completely made that up.

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abacucat · 24/09/2018 00:29

Remember for a country to join the EU, every country in the EU has to agree. One can veto it. Which is why in some cases it has taken many years for certain countries to join as diplomatic solutions are found to persuade those countries vetoing their membership.
This is why the referendum was billed as a once in a lifetime vote. Rather than something we can easily change later.

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abacucat · 24/09/2018 00:32

And if you don't believe me, just imagine if the Scottish referendum had come down on leaving the UK. And the UK government and Scotland had worked through that process and Scotland had left. Then a few years later Scotland said they had changed their mind and wanted to rejoin the UK. Do you really think it would be a straightforward yes? Or would there be those saying yes and those saying no, and it could go either way?
Brexit is going to happen and we well be out of the EU maybe for ever, but certainly for many many years.

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TheSageofOnions · 24/09/2018 00:35

I can see no reason why the EU would refuse to let the UK re-join at some future date. We would serve as a wonderful object lesson to any other waiverers that life outside the Union is simply not possible any longer.

Of course, we'd have to sign up for the Euro and all those exemptions we'd negotiated over the years would be dead and buried but that's the price we'd have to pay and I can see no reason why we wouldn't.

Leavers, you've stuffed your country good and proper. Thanks for that.

FinnegansWhiskers · 24/09/2018 00:36

Yes we can not simply rejoin. And even if it was agreed, we could lose the favourable terms we already have.
Saying we can rejoin is like saying to your DP I want a divorce, but thinking privately, if I don't like being divorced, I can just remarry my DP again

Exactly! I don't think The Monkey Mummy knows what she's on about! We have, in effect, divorced the EU. We can't just say "Oh we've changed our mind. We'll come back now". What's not to understand?

TheMonkeyMummy · 24/09/2018 00:38

Excuse me @FinnegansWhiskers ??? I didn't say that?

I did agree that it won't be easy to rejoin. We certainly won't get the deal we have now.

SwedishEdith · 24/09/2018 00:39

Brexit is going to happen

At the moment, that's impossible to say. An extension of Art 50 gets more time. But, rejoining will not be easy. Lots seem to have their head in the sand about that. And no leader seems to have the courage to actually explain the damaging consequences of leaving.

TheMonkeyMummy · 24/09/2018 00:42

Well let's hope that one of the leaders does grow a pair of balls, and puts a stop to this madness. Minimum of 28 days to campaign. It's tight, but doable.

Good night all.

puzzledlady · 24/09/2018 00:43

Confused no one knows how it’ll turn out - why not give it a chance? It’s been voted in already.

TheSageofOnions · 24/09/2018 00:44

We can't just say "Oh we've changed our mind. We'll come back now". What's not to understand?

But it's not a divorce. It's a diplomatic agreement between nation states and those can, and do, shift according to circumstances.

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