To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

I think we have gone too far down the path to suddenly turn round to the EU and announce that we are staying. Who says that they would accept us back anyway. I voted to leave, because I firmly believe that the EU is unsustainable and I'd rather walk away now, then get involved in the mess that will ensue when the EU breaks down. In my view by leaving now, we will be in a better position in 10 or 50 years time than if we stay. The majority of people do not appear to realise that this is about the longterm future of our country, not just what happens in the next couple of years.

And who said no one voted to join the EU. Of course they did, back in the 70s!

The public voted to join the common market which was a completely different animal to the current EU.

If we joined the EU (EEC) in 1973 then had a ref on exit in 1975, well, that's only two years, it's been two years since the 2016 ref, so what's wrong with having another in 2018/19.

If we joined the EU (EEC) in 1973 then had a ref on exit in 1975, well, that's only two years, it's been two years since the 2016 ref, so what's wrong with having another in 2018/19.

Shake it all about.
Do the hokey cokey and you turn around.........

If we joined the EU (EEC) in 1973 then had a ref on exit in 1975, well, that's only two years, it's been two years since the 2016 ref, so what's wrong with having another in 2018/19.

Well said Kenn. And since 2016 enough Leavers have died and Remainers reached voting age to mean that Remain would win now through demographic changes alone, before accounting for Leavers who would change their minds now they actually know what they would be voting for.

I think we have gone too far down the path to suddenly turn round to the EU and announce that we are staying. Who says that they would accept us back anyway.

Sunnymeg we haven’t actually left yet. We can revoke Article 50 at any time and stay. And the whole thing could become just like a bad dream....

I don't know any leavers that have changed their mind, me included.

Well, they're not going to admit it, are they Neweternal?

The polls in Labour areas suggest many Leavers have changed their mind. I'll dig out the article.

Sunnymeg it's not too late at all.

Inspired by this thread, I have just registered to vote on the off-chance that there is a second referendum.

I don't know any leavers that have changed their mind, me included.

Nobody likes to publicly admit that they were wrong.

I don't know why nobody would admit it. Out of a bit more than half those who voted they can't all be unable to admit they made a mistake/didn't have the full picture. It is perfectly acceptable to change your mind after having more info. Social change would never happen otherwise.

Ok so if you have another referendum and the vote is the same and this time a hard brexit, what then another vote?
I remember political commentators at the time predicating remain "as people would be sensible" utterly patronising. I would still vote leave I pretend to people (vocal guardian reading types) I meet I'm a remainer as remainers get excited and upset. My judgement has not changed at all, every other leaver I have met feels the same, if anything this has made me feel more against the EU project than I did previously. We need to leave EU and 20 years from now I'm convinced we will be glad we did.

I feel my identity is European so I'll never be happy about leaving but if it isn't a complete economic disaster I'd be fine saying 'oh, it wasn't after all!' because I acknowledge I'm not all knowing (I maintain its not looking great though ).

Let's find a few leavers on here that wishes to change their mind and why? Nothing has changed we now just see the EU leaders for what they are.

I don’t think it will happen

Still it lets a lot of MP’s off the hook campaigning for a second referendum when they shouldn’t have voted in favor for the first one without considering or even debating the implications

Ok so if you have another referendum and the vote is the same and this time a hard brexit, what then another vote?

I think there is very little chance that leave would win a second time.

Last time they were buoyed up by a campaign that promised we could have our cake and eat it, end free movement, still have access to the single market, get back £350m a week to spend on the NHS or anything else we like and that there would be no economic downside. All the warnings made by the remain campaign were dismissed as "Project Fear". The leave campaign also broke the law and got an unfair advantage from that.

And even so, they only managed to scrape a very narrow victory.

Now we know that everything promised by the leave campaign was total bullshit and quite a few of the dire predictions made by the remain campaign have already come or are coming true, so they can no longer so easily be dismissed as "Project Fear".

And there is substantial evidence to suggest that even on demographic changes alone, even if no one changes their mind, remain would just about scrape it in a second referendum.

So no, I don't think leave would stand a very good chance of winning a second referendum, and what's more the Brexiters know it. That's why they're absolutely shitting their pants at the prospect of a second referendum and doing their best to totally shut down any further debate on the matter.

I remember political commentators at the time predicating remain "as people would be sensible" utterly patronising.

I didn't think it was patronising. I thought it was cocky and unwise, and clearly not based on having had much contact with the average voter. I had a conversation with my brother in which he said, "people aren't that stupid", and I said "oh yes they are". Sadly I was correct.

My judgement has not changed at all, every other leaver I have met feels the same, if anything this has made me feel more against the EU project than I did previously. We need to leave EU and 20 years from now I'm convinced we will be glad we did.

Based on what? What part of this absolute clusterfuck makes you think things are going well?

It’s nonsense about demographic changes meaning remain would win due to old folk dying. People don’t hold the same opinions all their lives. 40 percent of these so called europhile youth couldn’t even be arsed go vote first time around, participation rates were crap. I didn’t actually vote in the referendum for logistical reasons last time but I would vote if it was held again I would make sure I did and I would vote leave now ( no I’m not a Russian bot).

It wont happen and it shouldn’t happen. We had a vote and leave won so that should be the end of it.I know leave lied but so did remain. I voted remain but if there is another vote I will vote leave

I voted remain but if there is another vote I will vote leave

What's your reason for doing that?

Interesting that you chose to address the point about demographic changes and dismiss it because you don't believe it as opposed to because you have research or data that contradicts it and not the point about how the promises made by the leave campaign have been exposed as total bullshit and "Project Fear" is becoming truer by the day.

What's your reason for doing that?

Because they are a troll and that's what they've been paid to write.

I feel like I shouldn’t vote as I voted the first time (remain) but I think I would if I thought the proposals were right

Ken Clarke said a second referendum would be as ridiculous as the first I think he is right and I am not convinced Leave wouldn’t win again

Ok please direct to a group of leavers now wanting another referendum? The only people wanting another vote are remainers who don't like the democratic vote. Did I think the NHS would get more money? No! Did I see a possibility we could initially be poorer? Yes and long term I felt it was worth the risk. As a leaver I'm careful not to upset remainers in everyday life and just nod and agree. Are you suggesting because negotiations are difficult we will just changed our minds? Leavers knew the risks.

I think the idiots were more motivated to get out and vote last time but as a group they're not getting any bigger.

Nobody who thought leaving the EU was the wrong decision two years ago when it meant ending free movement but still having access to the single market, countries queueing up to do trade deals with us and £350m a week thinks leave it the right decision now it means none of those things but rather stockpiling of food and medicine and not being able to find a travel insurance policy that will cover you if all flights are grounded next April.

Ethel - may I ask why you weren't already registered to vote? And why do you assume so many here are "paid trolls"? I don't think MN is that important really, why would anyone bother.