To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

Yes I don’t doubt there would be riots if we had another referendum, never said there wouldn’t be!

I am saying I think there will be some anyway if we go ahead as we are and Brexit isn’t everything the leavers wanted, which it won’t be.

KennDodd

There were probably about 100 leave voters who thought voting leave meant no more Muslims, a good few thousand want an end to 3rd world illegal immigrants coming into the UK via Europe & our extremely lax border controls. These people, once here, are extremely difficult to depot, even if they’ve committed serious offences. They think leaving the EU will make it easier to kick these criminals out. ( it probably won’t )

The rest of us realise that the majority of people coming into the UK via FOM are white Christian / Catholic, so staying in the EU will actually benefit the racists - they just can’t see it right?
I’m for a level playing field. Anyone from anywhere in the world if we need your skills, no preferable treatment for mostly white Europeans
Who can argue with that?

Yes I agree. We are fucked either way. Before the ref I hoped remain would win by a small margin because I wanted (some) concerns leavers have taken seriously, although NF has said that would be unfinished business and he wouldn't stop. Now I wish remain had won by a big margin and just shut the whole thing down, life would be so much better in the UK(Even for leavers) if that had happened.

So one could argue that it’s remainers who are the racists because they want white Europeans ( & let’s face it you don’t see many black polish people ) to have preferable treatment.

There were probably about 100 leave voters who thought voting leave meant no more Muslims

Take yourself over to Vote Leave on facebook, follow them for a bit. Anti muslim posts (they're very frequent) get hundrends of likes and supportive comments. Even after Grenfell posters were on there saying these people shouldnt have been here in the first place. Do you really genuinely not see the amounts of racism behind the Leave vote? Look at the racist group that all wholeheartedly support Brexit, not one of them was on the Remain side. Two years ago i might have agreed with you, that this wasn't a racist vote, I thought the people I knew personally who had racist views and all voted Leave was unrepresentative, following Vote Leave and seeing the groups that support Brexit and what they say has changed my mind.

Do you really believe this - There were probably about 100 leave voters who thought voting leave meant no more Muslims?

Surfer you need to have a quiet word with 5Yearplan4000 she is undermining your Brexit supporters are reasonable and not racist arguments.

another general election would certainly be pointless. the last one was held all of 15 months ago & clarified all of, well, nothing.

just as it was two years ago, the brexit question is far too complex to be put to a referendum. people's emotions & instincts about brexit are meaningless irrelevance when set against the seismic impact that brexit can have on the economy, on tangible things like employment levels.

really this is something that shoudl be put to MPs, of all stripes, to sort out in a grown up fashion. i won't hold my breath.

What are you doing following vote leave on FB?

I would I've to know what rights people think we have lost by being part of the EU. The right to swim at dirty beaches with poo floating in the sea perhaps.

What are you doing following vote leave on FB?

It's an historical thing from before the ref, I followed, and read information posted, by both the Leave and Remain groups.

They’ve got clean beaches because they’re catering for us ( the tourists ) just a shame you can’t drink their water without getting sick.
But hey, what’s a bit of dysentery between friends?

I’m not a racist . It’s not racist to feel absolutely appalled at the amount of low skill, low wage immigration from the third world ( and other counties in the Eu). Just yesterday there was an article on the today programme about how the UK is behind in technological, efficient provision of care services for the elderly because we would rather pay poverty wages and import low skilled foreigners to do jobs which machines could do for us and can and do in other countries.

You could even say the same for something like car washes - why does it take 6 Bulgarian or Romanian immigrants on god knows what kind of wages and conditions to live here and sending cash abroad when the technology exists and is used in many countries to wash and detail cars using a third of the people . Sure for the middle class it’s great to have this army of near slaves living in shit conditions providing some of its services whilst also but is it actually doing the country any good.

we are heading to a future more and more like you see when you visit countries like Mexico- extreme wealth disparity and armies of people running around doing sod all, hovering at the car park barrier to operate it instead of having an auto one, or even pushing the button on an auto barrier to get the ticket out to pass it to you. We are heading backwards quickly in this country towards that kind of state

It kind of suits us in a country which loves the class system but it’s not right.

We aren’t innovating and we are addicted to importing ever cheaper unskilled labour to service our needs.

Brexit gives us the chance to stop this rot.

It's not a democratic vote otherwise

Why do so many leavers not fucking understand democracy

I don’t believe leave voters, voted against Brown Muslims or people from Africa. More likely the huge influx which we don’t have the infrastructure to cope with, coming from Eastern Europe of low skilled people. Who yes work in low paid jobs but take a lot out too, in housing benefit and tax credits. Insisting on interpretator in hospitals, i could go on, this does affect the average working class person. Such as it drives down low paid jobs even further. I ran a business in the late nineties and it was harder to get staff than after 2004, but the person was right we are looking upon these people as slaves. It also had the affect of driving down prices, which is not great if you’re running a business. A lot of the unskilled labour from Eastern Europe would be considered underclass in their native country and they’re the same here, we do not need more, it’s not like the refugees from professional backgrounds who’s parents value education and raise attainment levels for their children and those around them, it’s just more underclass which I don’t think the country needs. I have met and are friends with many people from Eastern Europe they knew what they could claim before arriving, they’re here for a better life not because all EU countries are great and equal. This is not to say migrants are not lovely people just this is not the best thing for our country in 50 years time. Meanwhile they’re are skilled people from the Commonwealth unable to get it. An Australian style system is what we need.

5yearplan go on what technological solutions are there to providing home care services to the elderly ? I am genuinely intrigued ?

No-one ever answers my 'who do you believe ?' question.

I wonder if immigrants are paid poverty wages in Germany ?

Underclass , now there is term, been there done that had the t-shirt stolen.

The people on the boats will still drown and we won't be able to do anything at all.*

There is nothing stopping the UK from sending a couple of boats, saving the drowning people, taking them back to the UK and house and feed them. The EU would probably be happy to pay you for the pleasure as well. It's not the EU's problem, it's the worlds problem.

Yes I was fascinated and appalled in equal measures at the thought of automated elderly care?

In my Utopia, the richer countries support the poorer countries so that mass immigration to the richer north doesn't become as attractive. Everyone stays in their motherland and makes a go of it there. How do we deal with corrupt countries though for whom the aid doesn't ever get to those that need it? How can we ever all become equal? I do get what 5yearplan is saying about basically employing slave labour in car washes etc when those jobs should be done by machines and not exploited immigrants. There are no easy answers.

Motheroffour did you vote Libdem in the last election?
They promised to stop Brexit.
If all those wanting to remain had voted Libdem then Libdems would've won - if mn is right about Remain winning in another referendum.

In what way has the EU removed UK citizens rights

The UK is about to remove quite a lot of EU citizens' rights.

Not the other way round!

Think 5year was referring to some aspects of home care that provide automated reading and transmitting of patient vital data, which has proved successful in Finland and Japan, rather than a Robot changing an incontinence pad on Granny.
Though as there is a chronic shortage of residential care staff and no one is prepared to fund their pay, eu staff going home has just made matters far worse.

The use of slave labour and trafficking in Nail bars and Car washes could easily be fixed by enforcement of WTD, Min wage, changes to zero hour contract legislation and sending home EU migrants not in work.
ALL things the UK Gov has chosen NOT to do.

As always, comes back to UK Governments own failing but hey lets just blame the EU instead of sorting out our own mess.

Got any links to that jasjas or key words and will have a google.