To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

Exactly. Remainers hoping this will stop Brexit.

Because I’ll die here fighting for my country than fuck off and abandon it..........umm yes good luck with that

5yearplan as soon as you use the term 'elites' you've lost me. What's Jacob Rees-mogg then? Honestly you should go and read up about disaster capitalism and then you'd know what this was really about. It got nothing to do with some nostalgic return to empire days.

You’re welcome to your Brexit, leavers. I hope you admit your responsibility when the shit hits the fan.

Omg 5year is Reece Mog! I'll try again. What do you think you'll gain from Brexit? What Brexit plan are we supposed to be blindly backing? You do realise that lying to the electorate and breaking election rules isn't democratic and that freedom of speech and voicing opposing views is democracy don't you 5 year. I'm seriously beginning to wonder.

I don't think there will be a second referendum, I am not entirely sure I want another after the last fiasco. What I don't understand is this , why did May trigger article 50 ? there was no timescale on the referendum question. Why put the UK in such a difficult position of trying to negotiate our departure in such a tight timescale without anything resembling a coherent plan ?

Because the likes of Boris and Jacob Rees Mogg were twisting her arm behind her back and saying that her occupancy of No. 10 would be the shortest in history if she didn't prove she was serious about Brexit meaning Brexit.

Why didn't she come up with a workable plan, then trigger article 50 ? She triggered art 50 9 months after the referendum, then over a year later presented a plan she knew the EU couldn't accept and indeed a lot in her own party didn't agree with. The EU still doesn't accept it and her own party are still arguing about it So still no workable, sensible or achievable plan and in reality there are only weeks left to come to any sort of agreement.

Ethel, I am not sure that someone who is so easily swayed by the likes of Johnson and Rees Mogg is the best person to be negotiating a deal for the UK. Unfortunately it requires someone with real patriotic substance, someone who puts the needs of UK citizens above their own personal career ambitions and political party shenanigans.

Yeah I agree. Who might that be then? Any ideas? Cos I've got nuthin'.

May actually isn't that bright. She may have a degree is Geography but that just means she's good at passing exams. She can't do nuance at all and certainly can't do big picture long term planning or see the impact of her decisions - immigration bus anyone?

Ethel in all honesty I cannot think of anyone either , which is a sad state of affairs for the UK political system to be in. Perhaps a delegation from Mumsnet, made up equally of leavers and remainers could do a charabanc tour to Brussels ? I don't mind sharing the driving

5Yearplan4000 the vast majority of Brexit supporters complain bitterly about the EU being over centralised. However, you think they are wrong and you are now telling us

A “Europe of the regions” was a specific policy designed at undermining the nation state"

At least their is some truth in what you say. The EU does have a policy of subsidiarity where only the decisions that need to made centrally are. This is to keep power local and is usually seen as a good thing.

5Yearplan4000 as a matter of interest which unelected foreign bodies do we bow down to?

Is it the WTO?

5yearplan has owned she didn't even vote in the referendum, so taking exception to anything 'unelected' is somewhat hypocritical (leaving aside all the other 'gumption' bollocks she's spewing).

I also don't remember voting on any NATO or UN decisions, didn't have a vote to join either :(

That is just not true. There is already a border, who is planning on building this 'hard' border, Trump?

Not Trump. WTO requires a hard border with checks.

It's so frustrating when people don't even know the basics of the point they're arguing.

Walkingdeadfangirl Its (sic) only remainers who want a 'hard' border so they can stop Brexit, everyone else is happy to keep the border the same as it is now.

That is utter nonsense. Of course Remainers don’t want a hard border - they want NI to remain in the EU along with the rest of the UK and therefore the border to remain the same as it is now.

What you seem to be unable to grasp is that one of the consequences of a hard Brexit is that there has to be a hard border between the UK and the EU. It’s what Leavers want, not Remainers. Where exactly do you think that border is going to be?

walkingdeadfangirl
"Everyone else is happy to keep the border the same as it is now"
You do realise that NI is part of the UK yeah?
When the UK leaves Europe then so will NI.. this = hard border
The UK can't make up their own rules and make an exception for NI

I want Gina Millar and Mark Carney to run the country, they seem the only sane people in this utter mess. As a poster before remarked, it would be fascinating if it wasn't so upsetting .

We don't need another referendum. We just need May to face down the loony Brexiteers and tell them that an EEA arrangement is happening and that's it. It's the best compromise given the close referendum result, it has the least serious economic impact and it resolves the NI and Gibraltar border issues.

It doesn't have to be forever either, there's nothing to stop it being for say 5 years and a Canada++ deal is hammered out in the meantime.

Yes let’s have Gina Millar, Tony Blair and George Soros running the referendum campaign to vote again - after all they’ve put enough effort and money into trying to stop brexit. I’m sure with them at the helm and them all being so loved by the British people remain would be certain to win.

Better them that Putin's hands all over the last one. Do you really think he has the UK and EU best interests at heart?

the consequences of a hard Brexit is that there has to be a hard border between the UK and the EU Again with remainer logic. Since the referendum not a single remainer has explained WHO is going to build this hard border? The EU has said they wont. The UK has said they wont, and Ireland has said they won't. So its all very well saying there is some automatic Trumpian wall once we leave the EU but if you dont explain who is going to build it, then you are talking utter nonsense.

There is no requirement by the WTO to build a Berlin wall and stop everyone at gunpoint when using the common travel area of NI/ROI.

Anyone care to explain WHO is building this so called hard border? Anyone? Will someone be forced to build it on pain of invasion. Maybe its an invisible wall, with people being 'virtually stopped' as they pause to consider the enormity of passing through a common travel area without actual stopping.

Or maybe we can just use the existing border and change its name from 'border' to a 'hard border in name only'? HBino? Would that satisfy remainers?