To think a second Brexit referendum will not happen

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I am a remainer, but people campaigning for a second Referendum are wasting their time. It is not going to happen.

The people of the UK - the people who actually live here, people like me, will make sure we survive thank you. Because I’ll die here fighting for my country than fuck off and abandon it.

Fragolino No. Brexit actually made me more employable in my old job. (My knowledge of the EU meant I was offered a couple of different posts advising directly on Brexit, which I turned down.) My current job has nothing to do with the EU and is not affected by Brexit in any way. Plenty of other people's jobs are at risk due to Brexit though, and not just middle class, university educated remain voters from London. I don't think Nissan workers in Sunderland should feel very safe, for example. Or British lorry drivers who transport freight across Europe. Farmers should be especially worried. I know people feel "bitter about the EU and want to leave", but the problem is that once we've left and their situation has got a whole lot worse, they might eventually twig that their problems weren't created by the EU. The EU was just a convenient scapegoat for home-grown problems. But by then it'll be too bloody late. The damage will be done.

People work in different countries all the time? They don’t have to be in the EU. Have you never met an Aussie or American working in Europe? It’s not an insurmountable problem. I have no doubt that our economy may suffer in the short term but we are the 4/5/6 th (depending on who you believe!) biggest economy in the world, we have a good education system in the main producing a high calibre work force, we have a seat at NATO and goodness knows how many international bodies apart from the EU - we aren’t suddenly going to fall into complete obscurity over night! Why can’t this be the start of a new better fairer relationship with other countries? One that we decide rather than the EU?

Because I’ll die here fighting for my country than fuck off and abandon it. Really? You have read my posts where I explained exactly why I left the UK, right?

surfer I haven't called anybody anything.

You have to make your mind up either making sweeping generalisations is right or wrong?

I haven't made any generalisations about Brexit supporters. You however are making generalisations about remainers The vast majority of remainers are pompous hypocrites who despise the poor

I don't despise the poor. I am very concerned they will be screwed over when we leave the EU. Economic crisis always hit the poor hardest.

Do we call people names or not? I don't but it seems to be ok when you do it.

Noname99 These things you speak of are largely as a result of the UK having a strong economy and international reputation, both of which we are in the process of trashing. The rest of the world thinks we've lost the plot.

I honestly don't see what some posters can miss about the poor of the UK.when your at the bottom of the heap there are few resources to go around. If you cared about the poor and not just saying it like a meaningless sound bite... You would have researched and looked up the effects on the poorest in society from 2006 on wards. You would be familiar with Frank fields plea to vote leave exactly for the poor of the UK. You would understand that. Trying to prove compassion whilst saying one won't return to the UK until every old person who voted for brexit has died... so one won't have to pay a penny into their pensions or health care doesn't sound like a compassionate reasonable person. In fact they sound quite wiley, like foxes who drink in very posh places other humble mn could never access .

How exactly does Frank Fields think that making the price of essential goods, disrupting supplies of food and medicine, causing wide scale job losses and a huge reduction in tax revenue will help the poor?

No we won't fall into complete obscurity overnight. However, our influence will be less and will gradually diminish even further. As our economy tanks we will lose even more influence.

Once we leave the EU why not the ECHR? Many Brexit supporters wish for that.

What about NI and it's people?

Derision has been heaped on remainders who express concern for the poor.

Btw please stop waving the term 'democracy' around as if it is one specific thing when it isn't.

Moussemoose. Are you taking the piss? If I had a pound for every time I’ve been called thick, racist, a fascist, dangerous - sometimes all in one sentence - I’d have about 800 quid. And all because I voted leave, & by remainers on this board.

Because I’ll die here fighting for my country than fuck off and abandon it

I’ll get you a medal, talk is of course very cheap but as you caused this shit storm, so you should.

My Uncle moved abroad, he used to fly planes in, what was it? Oh yes WW2, are you saying he should give back his medals? He got shot down, he literally did fight for his country.

ETHEL don't know I am too thick to ever have the skills to work abroad, though could have milked cows in NZ or Saudi Arabia, but since June 2016, we have bought a bigger house, a doer upper, and invested in local British workers to improve it, bought a new car and looking to replace the other one, save money for Dc and generally try and continue to live like we did before the referendum. ..... Where I live the 4 counties voted 65%> to brexit, and believe the hatred of the idea of not leaving only gets worse each week........ jasjas1973 you may have been joking, certain rest weren't, and I too don't have GCSE English, only CSE, and I voted remain as did my wife, also only C in Gcse so if less educated couldn't vote you would have lost 2 votes there. .....as for broadening their horizons, he can do a year in Holland, Norway, Usa or Canada with his university so only Holland effected. Also I would hope he would want to stay here and return the investment this country has made in him, you know like 98% of his school mates, as firmly WC, we have never worked abroad and apart from 5 weeks on family holidays and 15 days on school holidays he has always holidayed in the UK too

It’s also fine being a little worse off as long as we we can govern ourselves. I’d vote leave and rather be poorer and govern ourselves, instead of being ruled from Brussels by unelected officials and corrupt politicians.

Oh my, @5Yearplan4000, this is brilliant. Thank you for the laugh! You enjoy being ruled by your unelected PM who doesn't even have the power to 'rule' per say and the uncorrupt, saintly British politicians.

2BoysandaCairn That's all great, but I can't see how Brexit is going to help any of those things. The people where you live probably will be really angry if Brexit doesn't happen, but how are they going to feel if Brexit does happen and their lives get worse rather than better? There are currently zero signs that Brexit will bring about anything positive for ordinary people. For what it's worth, I don't think the public should have been allowed to have a referendum on Brexit because it's too complicated a subject for most people (even "educated people"). But if they were going to have one they should have done some real preparation, identified the real showstopper issues such as Northern Ireland and come up with a workable plan for the kind of Brexit they were going to pursue if people voted leave. It shouldn't have been binary choice between "same old shit" and "what's in this mystery box" because people who are tired of the same old shit will always pick whatever is in the mystery box.

EthelThePiratesDaughter. Stop pretending you care about that stuff. You’re just pissed off because FOM is being withdrawn & your life will be a bit more awkward.

Surfer, I am married to a French citizen, my employer will sort out a work visa if I need one and I will have French citizenship myself in a few years. In terms of my right to free movement, Brexit is a minor hiccup. I am more concerned about my father dying if he can't get the medication he needs. And I don't see any leavers even pretending to care about that.

@EthelThePiratesDaughter yes. Your life will be a bit more awkward because your dad can't get his medicines as easily as he should be able to.

Jesus wept. I wish it were only Leavers that had to face this shit instead of all of us.

Ian Paisley's son was on the Tv saying the NI issue was a lot of nonsense to invent difficulties. Neither the republic or NI want a border.

France itself has a lot of its own problems, is it really better for your children to be French citizens? I can't see the appeal. What if Frexit happens when Macron doesn't deliver?

Ian Paisley's son was on the Tv saying the NI issue was a lot of nonsense to invent difficulties. Oh that's a good one. So international trade law just doesn't exist because Ian Paisley's son said so. For fuck's sake.

France itself has a lot of its own problems, is it really better for your children to be French citizens? I can't see the appeal. What if Frexit happens when Macron doesn't deliver? Unless I find someone else to have kids with then my future kids will be French citizens no matter what. The question is where is the best place to live. Right now there's no contest. France beats the UK hands down on almost every conceivable measure. In the future? Who knows. I wouldn't bet on Frexit though. The French like a good old moan but at the end of the day they know which way their bread is buttered, their electoral system is designed to prevent extremists from winning elections, and no vaguely sensible politician is looking to follow in David Cameron's footsteps.

One of the reasons the Uk has declined relative to the rest of the world is by being a divided rather than a united house. Instead of moaning and seeking to undermine a democratic decision, remain supporters should be putting their energies and efforts into making sure the best comes of Brexit and focussing on the renewed confidence and outward looking Britain that should come about through a successful Brexit. When the Brexit vote happened, although I was in favour of it I rated the odds of the UK actually making a success of it at less than 50%. The reason is I just didnt have faith that many British people and specifically the elites have the gumption or confidence to see it through and revive our country’s greatness. Too many people in the UK love to do down our country , accept second best and can’t be bothered to put in the hard work and they don’t see what they or our country is capable of. Always trying to tear the UK down, blame the Tories, accuse patriots of being racist, pushing a mental state which dictates that we must always be apologetic for our past and bow down to the Eu and unelected foreign bodies . I don’t believe in this mindset - and I do believe in a renewed British self confidence could come about from Brexit. If we want it enough and work towards it. But it will not happen whilst a ton of bitter remainers are working as hard as they can to destroy our country and all that it stands for, and constantly do the Uk down. They would rather take orders from foreign corrupt officials in Brussels than support their own country wholeheartedly- they are embarrassed to do so . therefore as a leave supporter I have little faith that the Uk will ever rediscover it’s greatness whilst this negative mindset persists amongst have the population. Destined by virtue of mass negative thinking by remainers, embarrassment about or past, and a poverty of ambition about our future from ever reaching out true potential as an independent country.

Would also say the EU has actively sought and promoted internal division in its member countries to weaken their powers. A “Europe of the regions” was a specific policy designed at undermining the nation state. We should be no part of an organisation that seeks to destroy our country like this.

Of course NI and the ROI don't want a hard border! Fuck sake

NI leaving the EU will create a hard border. Not one person in Ireland wants this. Ireland has come a long way in the last 20 years

NI leaving the EU will create a hard border That is just not true. There is already a border, who is planning on building this 'hard' border, Trump? Its only remainers who want a 'hard' border so they can stop Brexit, everyone else is happy to keep the border the same as it is now.