AIBU to feel a lot of sympathy for Lily Allen?

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The description of her childhood in her recent memoir sounds horrible and extremely damaging. As described, her self indulgent showbiz parents may have paved the way for her in her career but seem to have failed on every other level. Very depressing, I hope she gets a good therapist.

Eemamc no it doesn't take any energy at all to type out a quick opinion.
Secondly I'm disgusted by your saying having a stillbirth would affect anyone's mental health, relationships, ect. You're implying that it's the reason she is such a vile bully, misogynist and liar and I won't be the only person to have had the same experience and who doesn't relate to her in the slightest.
She was like that before.
Only the other day she paraded her children around, no doubt so she could leave early, at a signing for the book which is probably going to haunt them for life, and kept commenting how hungover she was. She's grubby.

It is good that people feel free to talk about bad things - my nan and a neighbour a similar age both had stillbirths and I never knew until I was in my 30s, they both felt it was their fault and never talked about it and neither had any more children - I don’t know if doctors discouraged them from having more or they just couldn’t risk it emotionally.

I’m still a bit meh about how that ties into using prostitutes, but as I don’t know how she feels in her head perhaps it’s best not to judge.

Tell me blanche why you consider it acceptable to be so vitriolic about someone you do not know yet that person is not allowed to do anything you disagree with?

And why are so many posters having conuptions about Lily hiring sex workers? Are you from the 50s? What is it to you? Are you the morality police? Many sex workers take great pride in their work and will be laughing their socks off at the nonsense spewed in here.

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I always notice that on these threads, the hate is stronger if the person is rich and successful.

I just think she’s mediocre really. With a lot of shouting and stuff added in to make her seem less so. I don’t pity her for what she’s been through. I’d just like her to spend some quiet time and money getting some proper help for the impact the traumatic things have had on her.

It doesn’t take a great deal of energy to type a few lines giving our opinion. I’m sure the Lily Allen worshippers would prefer to believe the rest of us are frothing haters. We’re not.

I feel sorry for anyone who loses a child, sorry for anyone whose parents are neglectful in whatever way but that doesn’t explain or excuse much of her self serving behaviour. She came across really badly on Jonathan Ross last night... laughing about using sex workers, having to stop half way through to dash to a cash point because time was running out - hahahaha hilarious and also admitting to saying and writing numerous things which simply aren’t true - ‘oh well, that’s how I remember it, hahahaha’. Worst of all She seems to be neglecting her own children. Total hypocrite. The only redeeming feature seems to be that at least she’s dropped her mockney accent and actually sounds more like a product of what she actually is... an expensive education.

No. She’s an idiot.

(Oh and I have met her, she was high as a kite, rude, mocking others.)

i do like Keith Allen, shouldnt i?
i see she had sex with one of his friends when she was 14, a friend who happened to be 19, and her dad made a joke about it.
anything else?

Pickle I don't know about vitriol but I have no time for Twitter trolls, which is one of the many facets to Lily Allen.
As for the rest of your post, I almost can't. I think you're in the radical minority if you think the exploitation of vulnerable women whether they realise it or not is completely fine. If you think men (as it usually is) can purchase another human to be their wank sock for half an hour, the objectification is completely fine. If you think the consent issue isn't problematic and in the case of the few 'happy hookers', contributing to toxic masculinity is completely fine then no one can help you. All she has done is put an oh-so-controversial spin on the things, as a mother of two daughters, and now has idiots falling for the 'you're such a modern feminist hun, it's equality!' crap, which is so bloody damaging and yet another reason to dislike the woman.

I like her and have had conversations with her on Twitter, before the book.
I also went down the "useless parents/self destruction period so when Trigger Bang was released it's lyrics resonated with me.
She's actually really nice, the whole "robbed" comment has been taken out of context of it being a joke (although wolf Alice weren't who I thought would win, I thought Jorga Smith would) by the media (the DM especially really seem to hate her).
I like that despite being known, she does chat and respond to people online and that's not the norm.
Using her platform to call for change, such as with Grenfell I can't see as a bad thing. No one moaned or questioned Adele when she went to the memorial.

I've met her quite a few times and she's always been lovely, clearly a very broken person but nice and friendly. Chatty, funny and never rude or high, at all whenever I've seen her.

I was just about to mention Grenfell. How could I forgot how she tried to make that tragedy all about herself on twitter, didn't waste any time getting down there for the cameras either. The lies she told when people had lost their families. Morally bankrupt.

@BlancheM she was far from the only celebrity down there though, so was Rita Ora and Adele. And I suppose the single released by a bunch of celebrities completely passed you by?
It's almost like you have to be on a certain I evel of fame to not be knocked.
Adele is OK as she is hugely famous abroad and comes from an estate, as is Stormzy. Rita Ora, despite having no discernable talent bar stripping off gets a pass because she comes from Kosovo.
Lily meanwhile gets called a champagne socialist and acussed of being worthy by accident of having a well known parent. To my mind, getting angry on camera and demanding answers when even the PM couldn't be bothered to speak with the residents not killed due to widespread negligence abd cost cutting shoukd ve applauded no matter who is doing the shouting. I don't know anyone who watched that unfold who wasn't angry. Not everyone has the opportunity to use their platform.

I don't think I have ever seen her interviewed without being intensely irritated by her at some point. It's as if she can manage to be pleasant for so long and then is compelled to make a flippant comment or huge exaggeration followed by a silly laugh. On Jonathan Ross last night she said that she has written her book the way she remembers things. The anecdote about her dad being ill at a festival which was either a cocaine-induced heart attack or food poisoning was just weird. Talking about the sex worker incident was tasteless IMO but then again Jonathan Ross brought it up which was unnecessary on that type of chat show.

@Arcadepixie please do not confuse dislike for hate.

Just because people do not like someone and actually have facts to back up their reasoning for it does not make them trolls or hateful. It makes them realists to the fact that she only seems to turn on the tears and wowis me attitude when she needs it most. The rest of the time she could give a flying fuck what you or anybody else thinks about her life or how she is living it.

As said before her other two siblings seem to be coping well with life and forging decent careers for themselves. Lets not forget that she caused a rift between herself and her brother when she said that she was offered a role on G.O.T to have sex with her own brother. Which totally not true and he was not happy with the fact that she tried to ruin something for him.

Do you ever see her siblings jumping to her defence or her ex husband proclaiming what a great other she is? What type of a woman shows up at 4pm to a book signing hungover dragging her kids behind her!

I was friends with Lily Allen for a while as a child. In hindsight I felt sorry for her then (I’m not sure I identified it as sympathy then but I hated going round to her house for example, it always felt oddly unsafe and unwelcoming).
I don’t know about now. It seems she’s just passing the crap down to her own kids, which is unfair and awful but so so common. The stillbirth story sounds truly traumatising.

When I read her Tweet I took it for what it was, a joke! Think it’s been turned into something else by those wishing to cast her in a bad light. There was a tweet which followed in which she states she adores Wolf Alice.

I think she’s ok. Like some of her songs. I’ve not read much about her life. I’ve learned more about her on this thread. I wouldn’t judge someone who I didn’t know though based on a few Mnetters who’ve actually met her.

Things she’s said in the past, haven’t we all said daft things in our youth? Things we may regret! I’m just thankful social media wasn’t around in the 70’s and 80’s during my upbringing.

The Daily Mail may hate her, but, judging by the sycophantic interviews and articles, The Guardian love her.

Along with just about the entire population of the world, I'm not going to read her book, but feel sad for any child that suffers abuse and neglect,, and think that finding funny that your 14 year old child got drunk and had sex with one of your friends funny. Is abhorrent.

I don't agree with any fame by association or attachment to such a travesty as that. I don't know a lot about Adele but from what I saw, she was mucking in with the rest of the effort. She is working class, the working classes are the ones who relate and identify, not privileged people like Lily who appropriates when the agenda suits her. It takes the piss. It's disrespectful. Why was she not fuming before the tragedy happened, when it counted? Why was she not shouting about the fact the residents were complaining at residents meetings and getting behind them then?
Why did she make it about herself and try whipping up conspiracy theories on twitter when newsnight got on a council executive instead of her? People want answers by those accountable, they didn't want to listen to Lily bloody Allen the common people's self appointed patroniser!

he was 19, i am sure there is more to it.

LittleBookofCalm it doesn't matter if he was 19 or 39. He was an adult and she was a minor, therefore it was statutory rape. And her dad laughed about it with his mates. I have no idea what you mean about there being 'more to it' unless you are excusing the act of an adult 'having sex with' a child.

I can truly believe she had a screwed up childhood which could explain why she is constantly being caught up in lies. But that also means I could never read her memoirs as truths but more of recollections of what she believes as her truths.

I don’t know about now. It seems she’s just passing the crap down to her own kids

And that’s why I really can’t abide her but instead of wishing her ill, I wish she would just naff off, sure scratch the creative itch but just under a different name, maybe learn to produce, maybe work for a label, set up her own, but Lily, just stop paving the way for your children really hating you in future by gobbing off about your being so absolutely idiotic since you had them, PND or no PND.

Personally I do feel a scrap of pity for her as she was raised in such a way I truly believe she knows almost no better, she’s hard wired to act recklessly and destructively.

But she’s doing to her children what her parents did to her (making them and their selfish ways the centre of their lives and not her/their other kids it seems) and whether she likes it or not she is making the destructive beat go on.