AIBU to feel a lot of sympathy for Lily Allen?

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The description of her childhood in her recent memoir sounds horrible and extremely damaging. As described, her self indulgent showbiz parents may have paved the way for her in her career but seem to have failed on every other level. Very depressing, I hope she gets a good therapist.

“Why was she not fuming before the tragedy happened, when it counted?”

Oh, for God’s sake.

Yeah, for God's sake.

@Eemamc

When I posted about dragging people's names through the mud, I am talking about her naming those that she has allegedly slept with and in some cases not slept with but seen allegedly sleeping with others all in the name of her new book.

I think part of the problem is that she’s set herself up as some sort of authority on political and social issues and, well, she’s just not very bright or informed is she?

She’s one of these people who seem like they just read the Canary, take it as gospel and regard the Guardian as a bit right wing and reactionary. She’s always either lived in London or in a Cotswold celebrity outpost of London and I don’t think she really has any idea that she comes across very much as part of an elite playing at ideological socialism and that outside London this sort of SJW posturing doesn’t come across well. Particularly when she so often bases what she says on unfounded and sensationalist rumours (like the numbers at Grenfell claim) or things she just hasn’t thought through (like oh the Rochdale victims would probably have been raped anyway).

She’s done it so many times too, you’d think she would learn by now to think before she speaks and maybe not to comment on things she’s not informed about, but she never learns. Whether that’s because of the influence of alcohol or something else I don’t know I’m not sure, but her insistence everything is everybody else’s fault and she’s a poor powerless victim is fairly typical addict behaviour too so I do wonder.

If a Tory celebrity had made that many slip ups, made loads of inaccurate claims and gaffes they’d been finished in the industry and never work in the mainstream again (see Katie Hopkins for an example. But because Lily is on the Left she still gets work and the industry tolerates her.

Unfortunately it seems like the public themselves are refusing to open their wallets to her which is why she’s in trouble.

Her last album sales were dire and I’m not sure if the book is shifting huge amounts. None of the big websites seem to be pushing it hard. It’s at number 4 on Amazon, it’s being outsold by the Grenfell book which has had huge publicity and is new so understandable. It’s also being outsold by Mob Kitchen (which has been out a few weeks and hasn’t had much publicity) and Confessions of a Junior Doctor which has been out since April and had no recent publicity. Given Lily’s all our media saturation sensationalist publicity campaign which has been going on for weeks, 4 in the first week is very poor and means it’s probably going to plummet next week.

That’s it really isn’t it? She’s the far left Katie Hopkins. Spouting inaccurate, ill thought out emotionally driven and politically biased nonsense.

(like oh the Rochdale victims would probably have been raped anyway) That tweet was beyond disgusting.

d that outside London this sort of SJW posturing doesn’t come across well

Actually, it doesn’t come across well in London either.

ButAIBUtho , yes her step mum is an arse. I went to school with her.

She should never have tweeted about being robbed (which was part of a two part tweet in which it was clear she was kidding and said they were worthy winners etc ) because halfwits just either A don't get jokes or B well, they're halfwits

Oh OP Every MN thread on Lily Allen ends up like this.
I have sympathy for her, yes. Neglect, Abuse, Addiction issues, Bulimia, Stillbirth, Victim of Stalking. It's not that bloody hard to empathise and feel something for her, particular the last two which she helped highlight as issues that need talking about. But the vitriol on here is, has always been and always will be disproportionate.

I feel sorry for her and her kids. I remember seeing an interview with her when first pregnant that she was going to do things differently from her Mum. It seemed to me that she was full of anger to her Mum for her upbringing, less so with Dad who gets away with playing the lovable rogue. I remember thinking, if only her idealised view of motherhood was true, it isn't, she isn't going to be earth Mum floating around in the country and clearly she hasn't been. It's sad.

I haven't read the book but sounds like Mum still being put down a lot if they say she was off partying all the time. Alison Owen, her Mum, is surely one of the most successful British female film producers? She must have worked very hard and fought many battles to be where she is? She did not come from privilege or nepotism herself, whatever qualities got her where they did work-wise I guess were not compatible with being the Mum Lily needed.

I hope Lily A can forgive her parents, that her kids can forgive her and that she can find peace and happiness and who she is.

because halfwits just either A don't get jokes or B well, they're halfwits

The fact that she had to explain the joke after it had been pointed out about Arctic Monkeys and even Huff Po gave her the benefit of doubt and took her at her words but added that it may have been tinged with a touch of resentment, kind of shows that the only halfwits in this scenario is the joke teller and her loyal hangers on, the fact she is now trying to position critisim as sexism backs up many peoples points on this thread that she is desperate to blame everyone else, and is straight out of the SJW 101 playbook.

Ew, who the fuck would blab about shagging Liam Gallagher?

I bought the book yesterday. It’s an easy read and there is also anger towards her mum. I do feel sorry for her, having read some of the stories.

Stllbirth and stalking I can empathise with totally because one is tragic, the other is terrifying and on those two she is absolutely correct that they were not her fault.

Bulimia and addiction issues I can empathise with up to a point, but she doesn’t seem to have come out of the addict/self destructive mind set of ‘poor me, everything is so hard and none of it is my fault’ and started to take responsibility for herself and her actions. And her childhood, it doesn’t sound the best but it doesn’t sound horrendous either. It’s the sort of thing a lot of people including myself have been through, but most people by their mid thirties have dealt with it or pulled themselves together enough so that they’re not constantly blaming every fuck up and misstep on having had a bad childhood.

She just seems so...stunted. Like she developed to the point most of us would get to at 18 and then just never grew up anymore because she doesn’t have to because she’s famous so she will always have someone to listen to whining self indulgent tripe about her bad childhood and how much she’s suffered. And when she ran out of people she wrote a book about it and went on all the daytime TV shows to tell all of us about it as well.

She just needs to grow up. Get a therapist. Stop blaming everything on everyone else. Stop feeling sorry for herself and learn to be grateful for what she has. Learn to take responsibility for herself. Wind her ego in a bit. Learn her limitations, like not actually commenting on public without actually doing a bit of research from reliable sources or apologising on behalf of 69 million people.

Just...sorry but it really is just grow up. She needs to start behaving like a 33 year old woman instead of a shouty teenager.

I think she's been given a hard time here on MN. I like her voice, she has great style and a very imperfect personality... she's not perfect but who is?

Mozzie, thank you. I had no idea lily allen was so comprehensively detested on MNet although I know the mail likes to bash her. I just read a bit of her memoir and thought bloody hell, glad thats not me, sorry for her kids and also she seems as if she might benefit from some therapy. I have just read a 7 year old interview with her father who sounds utterly repellent in every way an opinion reinforced by the 72 comments beneath it, none of which are in any way complimentary. Crikey. What a mess of a family. So. I still feel sorry for her. Sorrier for her kids.

And she blocks anybody on Twitter who posts even the mildest criticism of her so her Twitter is an echo chamber of unconditional adoration. It’s a bit pathetic really. It’s just childish. She always has to be right and can’t take any criticism or admit she was wrong or even just plain ignore it and not care.

Okay, I admit it’s normally in your 40s when you get to the ‘I don’t care bit’ but the rest of it she should have cracked by her age.

Her 'lily Allen has a baggy vagina' thing was so cringy. She must of been high to think that was funny

Sorry baggy pussy🙄 whatever so cool and classy

I kind of hate seeing any thread with either Jamie or Lily as I know the vitriol will pour out

And it’s always so personal and nasty

I always wonder if they read these threads . And how it would feel to see page after page of such personal insults

Theyre just people after all

I'm sure their bank accounts and other legions of supporters make them feel better. After all its almost like they wanted to be famous and talked about, so weird that people are!! /sarcasm

Who’s Jamie?

Oliver?

I think there are a lot of really intelligent and insightful comments on this thread and LA would do well to read the thread and act on some of the advice herein.