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To ring ds's school over this draconian policy and its implementation?

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stillpinching · 21/09/2018 21:25

DS1 started secondary school this month after a summer of counting down the days and so far he is mainly loving it. They are very big on achievement points and there is competition between the houses for them and extra for whoever gets the most in their house/year etc. Ds has grumbled a bit about how he'll never win etc, but he was a high achiever in a tiny primary school so it was always going to be a shock to the system to be one of 200, and we've spoken a lot about doing his best, taking pride in his work for its own sake and the fact that these systems are always imperfect. Overall, he is happy about the ones he's got rather than moaning about those he hasn't, iyswim. Some teachers have told him they've given him points and then not put them on the system (we get phone notifications) and that's annoying, but I've encouraged him to politely remind them if he can, and to not make too big of a deal of it - though the school does in fact make a big deal of the points...

The school is also big on uniform and pupils carry a card which staff can sign if there is any problem with the uniform, including shirts untucked. Today I saw this card for the first time and saw that ds got a cross on his second day. Apparently he came out of the toilet with his shirt slightly untucked, as did his friend, who also got a cross. However, tonight ds suddenly burst into floods of tears over it and was inconsolable for a time. He is upset because his friend somehow got the tick removed (presumably his parents rang in?) and was there the next day showing round a brand new card. Also, his head of year came and did a 'card check' at some point this week and ds and one other were the only ones with crosses. They had to stand up and she made some comment about how they better not get more etc. Ds says he was humiliated. I think he needs to be resilient and have done my best to play it down, but it was horrible seeing him so upset.

He was so well motivated after attending the taster days last term and all I heard about for days after was what this woman had said in the assembly, but now he feels she hates him. Of course I have played it down and tried to put it in perspective for him, but I'm a bit cross. Of course it was fair he got the cross, but if they're going to be that strict, how did the other boy get a new card the next day and show off about it?

I would like to speak to the head of year as in her position I would like to know that a child had taken my words so much to heart, but perhaps that's silly? While I'm at it, I'd like to mention that teachers should be putting the points on the system if they've promised them, especially since the school makes such a thing of them. AIBU?

OP posts:
stillpinching · 22/09/2018 15:30

milady, have you actually read the thread, in particular my posts?

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Miladymilord · 22/09/2018 16:16

Yes I've gone back over it. For goodness sake stop stressing. Your son sounds a bit ridiculous to think that the teacher 'hates him'. This is absolutely a storm in a teacup!

bridgetoc · 22/09/2018 16:19

YABU........ Don't be one of 'those' parents.

youarenotkiddingme · 22/09/2018 16:33

Boney 100% agree. But this case is not a child who has flouted a rule. Or a child misbehaving etc. It's a child who's doing well yet his achievements aren't being recorded and one minor thing - part of a shirt becoming untucked isn't being let go.

That is damaging. It leaves a child feeling they can do no right.

As as I said. My son moved schools and hasn't had the same issues because they ethos isn't so draconian and negative. Yet he still has autism and bad anxiety. He can manage his anxiety though when he isn't constantly feeling like everything he does may be wrong because he isn't perfect.

Parents who's children do break the rules and go into schools aren't helping their kids and are also causing them MH difficulties of a different kind. But this case isn't one of them.

catherinedevalois · 22/09/2018 16:43

So more of what actually happened coming to light and the thing that was most annoying you didn't actually happen. I'd leave it. Par for the course. 'Oh but Mum, Courtney had nail polish on but SHE didn't get a warning'. If I heard that whine once, I heard it a million times. 'Yes, and they'll be times when Courtney gets pulled for wearing a bracelet and you won't' was my response. I think we have to accept that some teachers will let it go and some won't and sometimes those who won't will judge whether it's the right or wrong time to pull someone up for an infraction. Welcome to the world of secondary school

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 22/09/2018 17:55

They are very big on achievement points and there is competition between the houses for them and extra for whoever gets the most in their house/year etc.

Do the kids have a house point weeky quota to beat?.

BoneyBackJefferson · 22/09/2018 18:32

youarenotkiddingme

As @snuggyBuggy posted its a balancing act between the two.

Other than the signature itself there shouldn't be a punishment, The HoY was unreasonable to make them stand but if you are bothered about that then make the call, you may find out that there was more to it.

stillpinching · 22/09/2018 18:35

Actually if anything I think my update makes it worse - everything is the same except hoy didn't make him stand up (good) but she let another child off the same offence going into assembly, which is a formal occasion and the perfect chance for her to stamp her authority and the make the point that uniform needs to be perfect. Instead she gave a message of inconsistency and the other time made an example of ds without knowing what he'd actually got the cross for. That does annoy me, yes.

No quota, but there are prizes for those who get the most for their year - well, a prize for their tutor group. Also, in each house there are two tutor groups and they pull out a name from each to compete with each other. They also have a league and if they get in the top 100 they get a voucher. It's all a bit much, imo.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 22/09/2018 18:37

youarenotkiddingme

Sorry that should be if the OP not "you"

stillpinching · 22/09/2018 18:37

There won't be more to it.

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Firstbornunicorn · 22/09/2018 18:44

I haven't read the full thread, but UGH. These stupid, pernickity policies do my head in.

Honestly, I'd be extremely angry, as I'd feel like my DS had been treated like a number, rather than a boy.

Seriously, he got that much of a rollicking over his shirt being slightly untucked? He's, what, 11?

UGH.

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 22/09/2018 19:01

No quota, but there are prizes for those who get the most for their year - well, a prize for their tutor group. Also, in each house there are two tutor groups and they pull out a name from each to compete with each other. They also have a league and if they get in the top 100 they get a voucher. It's all a bit much, imo.

Just aswell they don't have quotas, because some children wouldn't be arsed filling the quotas.

Thesnobbymiddleclassone · 22/09/2018 19:59

If your son is whinging this much over a pen mark on some cardboard then man life is going to be a shock.

Sometimes crap like this happens and this is when growing up and being a bit more mature is displayed.

Either cry like a little boy and get mummy to fix it for you or just say "yeah it was untucked, I'll check before I leave the loo next time" and move on like a grown up.

Al this fuss over a uniform card.

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 22/09/2018 20:13

Al this fuss over a uniform card. Hmm

What would you say & do, if your boss decided to have uniform cards?

Mistigri · 22/09/2018 20:39

move on like a grown up

He's 11. I hope you don't have kids.

Thesnobbymiddleclassone · 22/09/2018 22:04

If my boss gave us uniform cards I'd have a google in my head but accept that the people who pay me to be there want us to look respectable and presentable to our customers.

BoneyBackJefferson · 22/09/2018 22:11

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires

What would you say & do, if your boss decided to have uniform cards?

You do know that there are many companies out there that have uniforms and would tell members of staff off for not wearing them correctly?

They even go so far as to fire them if they do wear the correct uniform.

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 22/09/2018 23:05

Thesnobby & Boney

Yes I do know & understand that companies require their staff to wear a clean/smart uniform.

What about a company that decides to have sombody to stand outside the bogs to check that your uniform is all "Shipshape & Bristol fashion"?. Would you complain or go along with it?

Thesnobbymiddleclassone · 22/09/2018 23:47

It would be odd, but at the end of the day, I need a job and the pay well so would just get on with it.

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/09/2018 00:04

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires

I'd be impressed that the company had enough money to pay someone by the toilets for an invented job.

But then they may be able to do that by zero hours contracts, not paying for toilet breaks, sending people home from shifts if business is slow etc.

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 23/09/2018 01:13

I thank you both for your answers. Smile

Mistigri · 23/09/2018 08:38

What about a company that decides to have sombody to stand outside the bogs

To be honest, put like this, I'd think "the company must be run by a pervert".

All the more so when the bogs in question are being used by children.

MaisyPops · 23/09/2018 08:43

To be honest, put like this, I'd think "the company must be run by a pervert".
All the more so when the bogs in question are being used by children

Because being on duty, keeping an eye on groups going into the toilets, checking some students aren't eating their lunch in there (which some group, usually girls, do), moving larger groups hanging out in there out so that y7s don't feel nervous about tryinf to use the bathroom etc is totally perverted.

AIBU to think my y7 DC should be able to use the bathroom at lunch? They can't get in because there's lots of y9/10 girls using it as a common room.
Replies- (rightly) speak to the school, they should have staff on duty, your child has every right to use the bathroom without worrying about getting past older students

This thread - any adult who does duty near student toilets must be a pervert.

Dancergirl · 23/09/2018 10:42

Sorry OP but having read your update, you are making way too much of this.

So he didn't have to stand up in class but was warned by the teacher not to get any more? That's really not so terrible. By cross questioning your ds about the tone of voice the teacher used, you are giving him the message it's a Big Deal and Mummy will sort things out.

Your ds will have to deal with much worse at secondary school. You're not doing your ds any favours in the long run if you call in. If he sticks to the rules, he won't get any more crosses.

I'm a big fan of good discipline in schools. It may seem OTT but schools NEED it because a lot of kids these days behave terribly at school - disruption in classrooms, backchatting teachers etc. The respect has gone.

My dd is also in Year 7. She got told off last week for not having her blazer (she'd left it at school the day before) and had to go and find it which made her late changing for PE. She dealt with it (and she's on the austistic spectrum). These things happen. Is it fair the other boy got a new card? No, but sometimes that's life. Do you want justice for this small incident or do you want to help your ds deal with minor things?

BabyGoatsInPyjamas · 23/09/2018 10:46

@stillpinching I'm in NI

My old grammar school brought this in back in 2004..

Uniform card - we photocopied them and had about six in rotation 😂