AIBU to say I'm a menstruating woman not a menstruating person?

[Speakupspeakout]

Why the language change? I know it's all about being trans-inclusive. But is it really trans-exclusive if Lunette had said menstruating woman or girl?

I'm really surprised by all the intolerant threads about trans people that I have seen recently. I honestly (seemingly naively?) believed that society was moving on to becoming more tolerant of each other's differences and expected my children to have the opportunity to grow up in a society where gender is no longer an issue - where there is no need to label 'things for men' and 'things for women'

If we are talking about sparkly shit and football then I'm right with you. 'Gender' should not matter - and nor should sex. This is a solid platform of gender critical feminism. It is the trans lobby that is saying otherwise - that gender isn't a social construct but rather defines identity. Beyond this, I'd love to live in a society where one's birth sex did not matter in terms of whether they were likely to be raped, subject to violence and otherwise structurally discriminated against - for example in workplaces. Unfortunately, this isn't the case and until it is (and probably thereafter simply for reasons of clarity - women get pregnant and men don't) it is important to recognise sex.

I'm really surprised by all the intolerant threads about trans people that I have seen recently.

And I'm surprised by the posts by people who are so open-minded their brains have fallen out.

not have to be separated into groups of men and women.

So you don't believe in any single sex spaces at all, not prisons, sports, refuges, changing rooms, bathrooms, hospital wards, etc. etc.

Interesting that you seem to think that is a tolerant or progressive attitude.

I believed that society was moving on to becoming more tolerant of each other's differences and expected my children to have the opportunity to grow up in a society where gender is no longer an issue - where there is no need to label 'things for men' and 'things for women'.

Do you not think that for someone to come out as trans means that they most probably have deeply internalised that some things are for men only and some are for women, and rather than be brave and not conform to the gender roles we are have put on us from birth, they come to the conclusion that' i must be a girl because i am too feminine to be a boy and i like girl things such as pink sparkly wellies, and baking, and big hair. Transgender culture reinforces the binary of gender stereotypes.

On another thread this morning I posted this gem from the front page of the Irish Feminist Network.
This Mother’s Day, as you were probably celebrating the wonderful female identified person(s) who raised you and/or brought you into the world

Oh FFS! I’m waiting for the Happy Female identied person day’ cards to come out. My eyeballs have rolled so often, with all this Samoan hating misogynistic bull, they don’t have the energy anymore.

As someone on the side of love, tolerance and inclusivity

Except for women.

I'm going to hide these threads and continue to hope that we can all just be people and not have to be separated into groups of men and women.

I've been trying to hide these threads but they seem to be cropping up everywhere.

Even threads that don't start off about it aren't immune eg the mum complaining about the dad helping his daughters change for swimming IN THE MALE CHANGING ROOMS which is full of females helping their sons change IN THE MALE CHANGING ROOMS.

Up comes a poster then to make comments about trans women in the female changing rooms - nothing to do with the OP and total "whataboutery".

which is full of females helping their sons change IN THE MALE CHANGING ROOMS where did the poster say the male changing room was full of women?

@PositivelyPERF
Do you mean on the other thread about the boys not liking little girls in the changing room?

I am a mum taking my sons into the boys changing room (along side around 20 other mums!) As this is a children’s pool (in a school) and at a children’s swimming lesson there are no men or women changing in either changing room, if that helps

This was what the OP said on that thread.

Does she not mean that neither are labelled as male or female? Just trying to understand what the issue is.

So with Thinx that's at least two products aimed at me and people like me that I will now refuse to buy because they act like what I am is a dirty word.

I know I'm only one person, but I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Does she not mean that neither are labelled as male or female? Just trying to understand what the issue is.

No the OP was very clear that there is a male changing room and a female changing room.

The issue was that 2 very young girls are changing in the male changing room with their dad. OPs 5 year old son doesn't like changing in front of the girls so OP was asking shouldn't the dad go into the female changing room as his daughters are female.

Many posters pointing out the the dad is right in being in the male changing room with his daughters but the OP and the 20 other women are wrong for being in the male changing room.

My issue is how this OP then prompted comments of "what about adult males ID'ing as female going into female changing room?" when the OP wasn't about trans issues nor about men in female changing room. In fact it was the opposite - adult women in the male changing room.

Even when you try to avoid trans threads it seems some people are just looking for an excuse to raise the issue of "men being in female spaces".

If a woman becomes a transman will she forget that she menstruates?

No. She'll just identify out of menstruating. Mind over biology.

TerfsUp

And I'm surprised by the posts by people who are so open-minded their brains have fallen out.

Ha ha you tell 'em TerfsUP!

"where there is no need to label 'things for men' and 'things for women'. "

But men don't menstruate so you can't label it as a mutual thing?

I'm imagining someone sending their marketing dept 3 used sanitary towels (Sorry for that gross imagery). One from a woman, one from a woman who 'identifies as a man' and one from a man who 'identifies as as a woman'.

Oops, there's that pesky biology again, ruining some people's illusions.

And I'm surprised by the posts by people who are so open-minded their brains have fallen out.

I wonder if men would buy Durex if it were marketed for "ejaculating persons".

I just don't get it?

Surely as only a female can menstruate, you can't label it as anything else?

It's not the same argument as say, only girls can wear pink and someone saying no, boys can wear pink too so why not just label it as people can wear pink.

Men cannot menstruate so it's impossible to label it as anything else other than "a woman menstruating."

Men can take it off our hands if they do wish!! I would be happy for them to take it!

Somehow, I can't imagine Durex worrying about being "inclusive" and trying to sell its products to transmen...

@CiderBrains they can the menopause too right?

This is ridiculous

YANBU OP

Somehow, I can't imagine Durex worrying about being "inclusive" and trying to sell its products to transmen...

Might trans women buy them though?

I have never said I'm a menstruating woman, but if you want to go ahead OP. YANBU.

Has anyone told you that your U for saying it?

Might trans women buy them though?

If going and buying a packet of durex that you plan to put on your own penis doesn’t give a hint that you’re a man I’ve no idea what will! But then it’s probably a female penis because apparently that’s a “thing” despite the actual definition of penis being “the male genital organ of higher vertebrates”.