AIBU to say I'm a menstruating woman not a menstruating person?

[Speakupspeakout]

Why the language change? I know it's all about being trans-inclusive. But is it really trans-exclusive if Lunette had said menstruating woman or girl?

At any given time one quarter of women of reproductive age are menstruating.

Try saying that sentence without using the word woman. Or without sounding like menstruators gonna menstru8.

What proportion of women have had an abortion? One in three.

What proportion of women get breast cancer? One in eight.

We need the word woman, thanks very much, because all of these stats refer to the same group of people and those people face the same risks because they share the same reproductive type.

We're not going to suspend language about several billion humans because some people can't handle words that usefully describe reality.

It doesn’t bother me in the least but then again I’m not insecure about my own identity.

Oh bore off. You think it’s women insecure about our own identities? That would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking tragic.

The ones insecure about their identities are absolutely NOT women.

Kind of the point.

How many men's words are being changed?

How many men's words are being changed?

Bloody brilliant question. I’m willing to bet none.

Lots of food for thought.

I don't know what to think about it all tbh.

Hairylittlepoet, brilliant....sums the whole tra movement up. and

I really don't understand the thinking of some posters who seem to think that the use of supposedly inclusive language such as person in relation to menstrual products or motherhood, to protect the feelings of a tiny minority is anything but excluding to women. Do you really want to see the day when kids can no longer use the words mummy / daddy because it might offend a a few individuals who believe their identity is something that exists independently of their biology and lived experience

It doesn’t bother me in the least but then again I’m not insecure about my own identity.

That’s great. Now can you go and tell those confused people, who don’t know what a woman or man actually is, to stop being so insecure in their own ‘identity’ that they need the rest of us to validate their fantasies? That would be a great help.

Women aren’t born with a penis.

Men don’t menstruate.

It doesn’t bother me in the least but then again I’m not insecure about my own identity.

Irony alert. Go and tell that to the identity obsessed "people" demanding this. Of both sexes, because this is in no way just to placate FTMs.

Elephantinacravat - I'm curious, do you not believe that a woman can feel that they they want to be a man?

I believe that a woman can feel they want to be a man, but I don't believe they can actually change sex and become a man.

But if we are talking about what people 'want'. Trans people don't 'want' to be misgendered. I don't 'want' my sex to be erased by being referred to as a 'menstruating person'.

using 'menstruating person' makes sense and causes no harm. It's not as though anyone is unaware of the physiology required for mentruation, does is really need the word woman attached?!

'Its not as though anyone is unaware....'

So women need to play along with this lie, but it's fine because we all know really it's a lie? And yes, it does do harm. There's a thread full of women here explaining the harm to you.

It's a free country. Do the wokey cokey by all means. What matters though is not speaking for and helping a political movement intent on giving away rights belonging to other women. You know, the women here who are telling you loud and clear, they are not ok with this, they don't see it as harmless, and you don't speak for them. In terms of basic consent, enjoying a cup of tea does not mean its ok to force one down anyone else whether they're willing or not.

apologies: 'not speaking for other women '

do you not believe that a woman can feel that they they want to be a man?

Clearly some women do 'want to be men'. Doesn't alter the fact that they were born women and have women's bodies, however.

You can't change your sex. You can try to change your outward appearance, but it won't change your sex.

Have to say how much I love the expression "do the wokey cokey" it's perfect.

I can't find which MNetter first used it to credit her Eresh but yes, me too. Nail On Head.

Brava HairyPoet!

Soon we wont be able to call ourselves human because someone somewhere on the planet identifies themselves with a potato

Because not all women agree with the views of some women

I'm confused... Would you like to expand?

is unaware of the physiology required for mentruation, does is really need the word woman attached?!

I think there are quite a lot of people who don't understand the physiology required for mensturation, or the word menstruation. There are also a lot of people with learning disabilities, for whom it is important to have clear and accurate language in talking about periods.

Perhaps they could go for the even more specific and even more confusing/alienating terms like CRUK did:

"menstruating cervix havers"

That should clear things up nicely, right?

(Well, until "menstruating" becomes exclusionary...)

YANBU. Only women menstruate.

I'm really surprised by all the intolerant threads about trans people that I have seen recently. I honestly (seemingly naively?) believed that society was moving on to becoming more tolerant of each other's differences and expected my children to have the opportunity to grow up in a society where gender is no longer an issue - where there is no need to label 'things for men' and 'things for women'.

The arguments against inclusive language on threads like reminds me of all the stories of people being outraged by their local councils having 'winter festivals' instead of 'christmas celebrations', supposedly erasing the Christian heritage of our country.

As someone on the side of love, tolerance and inclusivity, I'm going to hide these threads and continue to hope that we can all just be people and not have to be separated into groups of men and women.

As someone on the side of love, tolerance and inclusivity, I'm going to hide these threads and continue to hope that we can all just be people and not have to be separated into groups of men and women.

Don't you mean men and non-men?

On another thread this morning I posted this gem from the front page of the Irish Feminist Network.
This Mother’s Day, as you were probably celebrating the wonderful female identified person(s) who raised you and/or brought you into the world ...

I honestly (seemingly naively?) believed that society was moving on to becoming more tolerant of each other's differences and expected my children to have the opportunity to grow up in a society where gender is no longer an issue - where there is no need to label 'things for men' and 'things for women'.

I would love to see this happen in terms of ridiculous stereotypes like what you can wear, what you look like, what job you can do etc. Unfortunately trans activists like Munroe Bergdorf, Shon Faye and Paris Lees only reinforce these stereotypes, with their exaggerated notion of 'femininity' (pouty selfies, pics of yourself, onTwitter wrapped in bubble wrap with your tits showing through with the caption 'unwrap me', big fake breasts etc etc). I don't want my children growing up to be told that if they like things not stereotypically associated with their sex, there is something wrong with them, they could be trans and it will need correcting, but that seems to be the agenda that charities like Mermaids are pushing with their 'are you Barbie or GI Jane?' propaganda.

However, when it comes to single sex provision and spaces (changing rooms, refuges, prisons, sports) to ensure the safety and dignity of women and girls, then it is vital that we keep 'things for men' and 'things for women'.

@Crumpledandcreased

You do realise, don't you, that GC women are the ones fighting tooth and nail for "gender" (the stereotypes society puts on people) to be dismantled, so everyone can wear, do, act, dress and behave how they want without someone saying they are doing it wrong? But of course nobody can change their physical sex (their genes, dna, chromosomes etc)

And the TRA community are the ones reinforcing the stereotypes and saying if you like (e.g.) lipstick you are a woman, no debate. And if you happen to have been born male, that automatically means you are trans so you now have to live your life as a woman from now on as that is the only way to be happy? (reverse that for any traditionally male stereotype)

You DO see that, right? You aren't just having a kneejerk reaction and assuming a huge bunch of women just decided to be intolerant and exclusionary without a second's thought?

As someone on the side of love, tolerance and inclusivity, I'm going to hide these threads and continue to hope that we can all just be people and not have to be separated into groups of men and women.

When it comes to the problem of solving male violence against women, or the gender pay gap, do you not think it is helpful to separate people into groups of men and women? Otherwise how will you know who are the perpetrators and who are the victims?