AIBU to say I'm a menstruating woman not a menstruating person?

[Speakupspeakout]

Why the language change? I know it's all about being trans-inclusive. But is it really trans-exclusive if Lunette had said menstruating woman or girl?

Am I not a person? Do I not menstruate? What the fuck is your problem??

Do any transwomen use sanitary towels in the knickers for a few days per month so they can pretend that they are menstruating?

You do not want a full answer to that question trust me, but the short answer is yes, some do.

I’ll go with menstruaters when we can call fathers “sperm ejeculators”, because as we all now know, some women also ejeculate sperm from their penis and can impregnate so the language needs to be inclusive. Sauce for the goose and all that jazz jizz

Don't get the point of using person. You are a woman if you can menstruate, that's pretty obvious.

Dunno why you would want periods even if you want to identify as a woman. They are horrible, wish I could remove everything some months to avoid the pain.

Am I not a person? Do I not menstruate? What the fuck is your problem??

What's your problem? Why is the word person better than the word woman when its only women who menstruate?

Why not earth-ling? Or would that be offensive to aliens who might menstruate?

Some men do. It’s right to use language which is inclusive of that reality

Except that isn't reality. The reality is that women menstruate and men don't. Not all women menstruate but all people that do are women. Because those words have meanings that are not circular and not based on feeling.

Some of those women identify as feminine. Some identify as masculine or as transmen. Others don't give a flying fuck because they realise that gender is made up nonsense that is imposed by society and actually, people should be free to like what they like and get on with their lives. But every single person that has or will menstruate is female. Therefore they are girls or women depending on their age. Internal gender identity and a feeling of 'maleness' doesn't change that fact and refusing to accept it doesn't help anyone, transpeople included.

Language matters.

Because trans men who identify and live as men still menstruate?

It doesn’t bother me in the least but then again I’m not insecure about my own identity.

Pipe down ladies. Language don't matter no more, you see.

In fact, since language don't matter, you can start using racial slurs. After all, most people won't be offended!

If a woman becomes a transman will she forget that she menstruates?

I'd just comment on the post 'PEOPLE don't menstruate, WOMEN do' and be done with it. That's a fact, I don't see why inclusive language needs to be used. If you do not have a womb and vagina, you can't have a period.

“Some men menstruate”

Funniest thing I’ve read on Mumsnet all day

The long and short of is that some trans activists are jealous of women and want to erase us and our experience as a human biological female. Just wait until women start calling for language erasing men, “If you are a person with testicular cancer....” That won’t fly!

Am I not a person? Do I not menstruate?

Going wth yes for the first one and ive no idea for the second

It's very rare that anyone would have to say they are menstruating.

I'd just comment on the post 'PEOPLE don't menstruate, WOMEN do' and be done with it.

Well no, I'm pretty sure it IS people who do the menstruating. We're definitely people. So "people don't menstruate" is a total falsehood.

Some people menstruate. Some women don't. All the people who menstruate, menstruate. Obviously.

At the risk of tying myself up in knots here -

A "menstruating person" was coined to cover the fact that menstruation occurs in most biological females who identify as females PLUS biological females who identify as males but have not yet had a hysterectomy?

Is that correct?

In which case isn't it other women (who identify as men) that have used this term?

What do men have to do with it?

Some people menstruate. Some women don't. All the people who menstruate, menstruate. Obviously

Some people mensturate. Some women dont. All the people who menstruate are female...obviously

How are you defining women?

Call yourself whatever you want. I can promise you nobody cares.

If trans men menstruate, then what exactly is it about them that makes them 'not a woman'? If the word woman means 'adult human female' (which it does).

Answers based on stereotypes not allowed.

To try and minimise the very real struggles and discrimination that women have gone through over the millennia because of their bodies, and the perception that when we bleed we are unclean, to try and insist that trans women are somehow a part of that, is offensive and demeaning to women who have been through these struggles.

But if it's a trans man saying this, then they are female according to some, so therefore that's a woman, who identifies as a man, talking. So why can't they, as women, have an opinion on something that happens to women?

How are you defining women?

I'm not. We can all call ourselves what ever we want as far as I am concerned.

I'm just confused by the view, from women, that only women have the right to an opinion on a women's issue but that they don't like it when trans men (women) voice that opinion.

So is it only certain women who can have an opinion?

The language is absurd. Someone has drunk the Koolaid.
Though tbf I can imagine that heavy doses of hormones might cause menstruation symptoms (not including bleeding though) as per the interesting Establishment link posted upthread. When a WOMAN is on the pill, the menstruation that occurs in the pill-free week is artificial too, as there's been no ovulation.

Some men do.

No, they really don't. I'm not indulging that piece of gaslighting. Any person who menstruates is biologically female. How they exercise their choice in naming and defining themselves has no bearing on that fact.

It’s right to use language which is inclusive of that reality.

It is not a reality, it is a political opinion and a highly debatable one.

Transmen are welcome to describe themselves and their experiences via whatever word choices they feel express themselves more clearly. I shall do the same.

I have plenty of stress in my life typical of many my age - disabled child, aging inlaws, a stalled career - and yet I’m still pissed off that the word ‘woman’ is being erased. Only biological women can menstruate. It is simple biological fact. There are only 2 sexes. You can change the outside but you can’t change the inside. It does no one any good to pretend otherwise. And that is what this illogical word erasure is doing.

Are the words

man, male, men

Undergoing the same sort of thing??

No issue with transgender at all. However I don't like female terminology being eradicated.

I'm a woman, proud of it. I'm also a person but I'm also a woman, a mother, a friend, an employee, a diater, a dog lover, a marmite hater, a knitter, a dancer round the room when no ones home and so on and so on. All that makes me a rounder person but individually they describe who I am as a person. A woman is one part of it