When did we become ok with the burka?

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In my childhood (80s90s) I remember being sad some Muslim women were pressured not to show their full faces in public ie become invisible. These days much more focus on a women right to choose aka wear the full vail, even those who are possible under pressure.

When/why did this change happen?

I've just read through the comments and I'm so sad to read how judgmental a lot of people here are it actually guts me and cuts me in half

Why can't the people who disagree with burka support other women in all they want to do the same way I would support you guys

Breaks my heart that I'm being called the radicalised one and the ones on the thread spitting hate are the socially accepted norm

Have you heard of the Uyghur Muslims?
Those who are saying it can never be a woman's choice, do you support the opposite? Banning and criminalizing? Forced assimilation?

Just a point, how would women feel if men in this country walked about with masks over there faces?, if women can do it why not men.
What are the thoughts, would that be legal I wonder.
I bet the femanist would have some objections to that.

@abubucat that's the same for all religions though. There are some families that will reject their family member if they do things differently, marry a different race, religion or gender, leave their religion, etc.
That isn't unique to Islam.

She I was working in a children's home there was a 16 year old that was there who was Hindu. She was there because her family had tried to force her to get married as they believed she may be looking into another religion.

I think wearing a burqa/niqab is similar to how some teens go 'goth'. It's a rebellion against cultural norms, and some men have festishised'.

The more 'islamaphobia' has increased, the more women ive seen in niqab/burqa (and men wearing asian clothing/ dresses)

Should have said 'fetishised' it. My phone is playing up

May I ask any Muslims on here a question?

I always understood that coverings were about being modest and simple. But a lot of women who wear the various versions wear full make up, tight clothes, flashy jewellery etc. The two don't seem to go together.

So what is the reason behind wearing it? Is it simply saying "I am Muslim" as a Christian might wear a cross (although rather more obvious)? I really am trying to understand here .

@SpeckledDot I feel the answer is the more islamaphobia has got ever present on the news the more people turn to there religion for ever more guidance and hope and comfort and a lot of people have looked into Islam recently more then normal and started to convert to Islam and wear the niqab I know a few recently been spurred on by Islam in the media and searching for an understanding of it and have reverted to the religion

@MipMipMip exactly that and also many different reasons just like you have millions of types of Christians that wear millions of types of clothes same with us

Sometimes it's just what they want to wear with a nod to religion

and sometimes it's a stepping stone in terms of starting off with small steps ie covering hair and then toning down make up a goal to become more so in the future religious clothing wise

Sometimes women want to cover but then feel they have to beautify themselves with make up to make up for the fact there hairs covered to still feel feminine and sexy

Sometimes it's just the look they like!!

Sometimes they feel covering there hair is a must but wearing loads of make ups a loop hole or they may feel wearing loads make ups okay

Up to them

It' could be a million different reason but the crucifix analogy is a good one

Really really good question I like your understanding because you have grasped it and not many people do

but it's impossible for me to speak for a so many people

@SpeckledDot I think people also notice it more lately because it stands out more to us as well as the fact it happens more

@Helpimfalling you and i think very differently! I feel it's more to do with siding with the winning team. The West has been attacked so many times by islamist fundamentalists and won't even deport jihadists out of their countries. It's shameful, no wonder they are siding more with islam.

For some yeah yeah I'm sure it is the way there thinking but that's defeating the whole object of doing it for the rite reasons you do it for the reasons you believe off your own back with your own intention not because some twats on the news

Maybe for some it's born out of that opinion but on a purer form like camaraderie for the Muslims that are getting attacked and persecuted or conflicts driving them closer to god and there doing a lot more soul searching the more times become turbulent and feel it's there time and there calling to become more religious so not born out of a bad place just misinterpreted for some

DoubleTrouble99

Think we are the same age. Only reason women started wearing the burqua or covering up was because a man told them to.

Before the fall of Iran women would wear mini skirts and what they liked. Virtually over night they were told to cover up or lose their jobs

Yes your right Oliversmum. The only time I remember having a different dress code of someone of a different religion was when the Ugandan Asians came to the UK and there was a family in my small Scottish town. They were sheiks and the school let the girls wear trousers with their uniform as they required that they be covered up.

I think we have meet on another thread as a SEN mum Oliversmum!

Yes Indian girls were the only ones that wore something different. Which was a pair of trousers in the school colours under their school dresses or skirts.

I actually think the covering up was dying out. Especially in ME countries.

But then along came a guy who decided to throw his weight around and change the dress code of women in a country and send the ME back a thousand years.

Yes we probably have met on the SEN board. Both of mine have dreadful dyslexia, DD has ADD and ds had ADHD.

I would feel like I've failed as a parent if my daughter decided to wear a burka etc. when she grew up, women are equal to men and to me covering yourself up so men can handle their sexual urges is totally and utterly unacceptable. If a man cannot control himself around women then HE should be the one addressing his problem. It is totally and utterly crazy to me. I just can't get my head around it.

Try walking into your local bank wearing a balaclava or motor cycle helmet and see how far you get. It‘s the double standards and endless demands by muslims for special treatment , exemption from the law and unearned privilges that gets on my wick, especially the extreme cruelty involved in halal slaughter.

Would you feel like you failed as a mother if your daughter had a boob job?

Smudge what do you think happens in western slaughter houses. The animals all get kissed to sleep presumably. If you are not a vegetarian you are a hypocrite.

headstone

I agree with Buster.

Wearing a burka makes you anonymous. You are ashamed of your body. The affect it is supposed to have in men.

Having a boob job makes you feel good and not ashamed of your body and you couldn’t careless what affect it has on men.

I would rather bring my dd up so the latter was what she felt .

If you are bringing your daughter up with thinking that she should be the former then as a parent you are making your dd feel like women should be second class citizen.

For the question I asked about wearing a burka and doing a physical job. Comparing walking the O2 to crawling in a loft space to fit boarding isn’t really a comparison.

I was asking how women did these jobs in the ME in 40 or 50 degree heat

I really don't think that they do.

Headstone well as they are completely different things and not relevant to the burka discussion it makes no difference what I think about boob jobs!
I'd rather my daughter was anything but subservient to men and their needs and lack of self restraint!

Then you are saying that women can’t do everything a man can so in these countries they are not equal.
So are second class citizens.

Again in the 1970s they could. One guy in one country gets into power and designates 1/2 the population to being irrelevant. Not seen and not heard.

This is where wearing the burka came from in modern times. Those choosing to wear it are upholding the dictat that a man has said this is what you should wear.

Iran was a flourishing country. Within days it was sent back in time and now look where it is.

Designating half the population either cannot work or can only work in certain jobs is going to put a strain on any countries finances

Presumably one gets bigger boobs because they are not happy with the way they look. There is nothing wrong with smaller boobs it is just trying to fit into western ideals and what women perceive men to find attractive. A woman shouldn’t feel ashamed of having smaller boobs. Cosmetic surgery is risky as well.
While I don’t agree with a burka as it hinders the vision. The other types of coverings are my just freedoms of expression.
Of the women I know who cover, they don’t do it because they are ashamed of their bodies.