To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

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I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

It sounds like youve been brainwashed by your sexist husband into thinking that making allowances so that women feel able to join a male dominated and traditionally majorly sexist hobby, is in any way the same as a bloke wanting to exclude women.
Allowing female only events is how you INCLUDE women because they dont fucking join in as an equal to men in the mens ones. It just hasnt happened. If it was going to, it would have BEFORE men were obliged by law.
Women have been oppressed and excluded for centuries. They start a few groups and we find some ways to start encouraging and including them and even other bloody women ard like uh oh, steady on, man haters.
Wise up woman. Youve been done a number on

glint. I don’t want to stop women joining in with stuff I want women to be empowered to join in not to be made to feel different enough to need a special group to feel confident, I want them to be taught to stand up for themselves in a Male dominated environment. To the person who asked if I had a DD yes I do and she is a warehouse manager and able to manage men on a daily basis and I taught her how to do that and that makes me proud.

branluese. What makes you come to the conclusion my DH is sexist

I don't understand why you would care. If you don't want to go into women only spaces, don't. It's absolutely no skin off your nose. Some women like to have women only groups/spaces, and some cultures or religions will not permit women to participate in mixed sex situations - the Muslim girls at the women-only swim sessions of my youth spring to mind. I was always delighted by women only swim times because it meant more swimming pool space for ME, but also when I was young (13 through 25) I got a lot of unwanted attention from lecherous older men, as you do, and women only swims also meant I got to swim without being propositioned while wearing very little clothing and feeling a bit exposed.

Women still don't have equal representation in parliament or equal pay, and men still can't talk about their feelings and are committing suicide in terrifying numbers. We are not equal yet. Saying that, I think men should totally go and do men-only things in their free time, so ride-out all you like; I just don't think men-only things should include ruling the world and getting exclusive first dibs on all the best chances.

Oh no da poor iccle menz. They are so oppressed and life is so HARD for them wah waaaaa!

Jesus wept, I can't even respond the the OP, or any subesquent posts from that poster after that without getting banned.

'The worm that turned' on the 2 Ronnies was fucking brilliant though.

But it was a SPOOF - a COMEDY SKETCH.

Saying 'after seeing this I am worried for our men.' is hilarious to the extreme!

As someone said further back, men will be FINE. And very few of them worry about women, trust me!!!

@KTheGrey

BRILLIANT post!

Feminists ignore things like this - apart from all the feminists who spent decades campaigning for increased leave for mothers abd then also for parents, and who were mocked and vilified and referred to as 'Harriet Harperson' and a whole lot worse?

Op if your dh feels upset there is no male only ride, he should acknowledge his feelings 'i feel upset about this' not 'im not bothered' and organise on. He might get some anti male comments and anger as a result, perhaps told to lighten up and stop being so emotional. What do you think feminists get when they organise stuff like this?

“If women genuinely wanted equality they would campaign for men’s identify to be kept secret along side women’s in sexual assault allegations (equal rights on innocent until proven guilty. They’d also demand harsher punishments for women who admit to having lied.) But we’re not fussed with any of that, because we’re not really feminists, we just want everything our way.”

An accused women has no more right to a secret identity than a man. Equally both Male and female victims are entitled to annonminity.

Problem is, it’s the men who commit the crimes and sexual assaults, so you’re getting a distorted picture thinking they’re having a hard time. If men stopped committing so much crime you’d probably see a more equal reflection of Male and female accused in our legal system.

Brightlightsandsound I’m in a women’s only gym & I really identify with what you’re saying. I didn’t join for women’s only but it’s such a positive atmosphere & so much more relaxed than any other I’ve ever been in.

Men are doing just fine

The vast majority of those making decisions for us all is men

Still higher paid, still the majority sitting on boards, as judges, senior roles in the nhs and police force and local authorities and now deciding that safe spaces are not necessary for females

And you are concerned that men men might for hard done by because they can’t join a women’s only bike ride

Ffs do some reading and educate yourself

kthegrey
I don’t want to stop women joining in with stuff I want women to be empowered to join in not to be made to feel different enough to need a special group to feel confident, I want them to be taught to stand up for themselves in a Male dominated environment

“Recently overheard a conversation between 2 male colleagues (him and wife do same job and expecting baby soon) anyway he said she point blank refused to share her maternity leave with him as she wanted to spend a full year with baby so he was going to get 2 weeks and then be shunted back to work. She was also going to go part time afterwards and was not open to him being the one to go part time. Felt sorry for him as he said everything he raised it he was made to feel like a bully and less of a man, by his wife and family as ‘she was the mother and should be allowed to stay at home if she felt that was right’....where’s the equality there?!?!!”

This is not about EQUALITY this is about a poor relationship between 2 people having a baby. The law legislates this equality, if they can’t make it work for them then that isn’t inequality, that is a disagreement between 2 people.

I am gobsmacked you can’t see that. You can’t win any arguments coming up with daft examples like that.

OP women want their own spaces so that they are safe. I am sure there are mixed sporting events, however men are biologically stronger, more muscle, less fat, it is not fair if women are competing against them, they are onto a looser.

“Feminism has gone too far entirely. It’s no longer about equality and instead about being superior”

Can you give some examples of this? Individual women being dicks do not count- unless you want examples of individual men being dicks to count too......l

I dont know what to say except this is either a thread to deliberately annoy or you are a twit of the highest order

“I want women to be empowered to join in not to be made to feel different enough to need a special group to feel confident”

Yes. Sometimes all women groups are a good first step towards this. The gym one is a good example. Women who feel intimidated about going to the gym can start by going to a women only day, build their confidence, then move on to a general session.

If women genuinely wanted equality they would campaign for men’s identify to be kept secret along side women’s in sexual assault allegations (equal rights on innocent until proven guilty. They’d also demand harsher punishments for women who admit to having lied.) But we’re not fussed with any of that, because we’re not really feminists, we just want everything our way.

Why would we campaign on behalf of men? Why can't they do it themselves?

What would be great is if men started campaigning to stop raping 85,000 women a year in England and Wales and campaigned for that number to be in some way reflected by the number of rape convictions.

They're too busy worrying about women only bike rides and paternity leave though apparently.

I want them to be taught to stand up for themselves in a Male dominated environment

I stood up to a man once. He broke my nose and cheek bone.

Women should not have to "stand up to men" we should be given equal oppurtunity without being treated badly simply because we are female.

It is not womens behaviour that needs to change as you say "standing up to men" it is mens attitude and behaviour which needs to change, they need to stop trampling over women.

We are a hell of a long way off equality yet.
Most women STILL shoulder the lion's share of childcare and the sacrifices that go with it career-wise. Access to childcare is itself a problem (bloody expensive). It's a fact and it affects everything else: pay/ financial independence and representation in positions of power.
Equality starts in the home. Actually read a few threads on here op and you'll see there's still a long way to go!

I hear women are going to be given a woman-led Marvel film soon too. FFS they have to take everything from men, and men will be left with nothing.

Except the million male-led Marvel films.

If you think throughout history, men did not care about equality but when it seems women are becoming more independent, we are meant to care about men withdrawing rights and there are constant debates about feminism etc.

This comes down to men being scared of their privileges being taken away, they may not admit it but they like that they have the power and taking that away is threatening them.

They have even made feminism an dirty word, any women day such as when we got the vote is mocked.

Very sad.

I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in

This isn’t remotely to do with feeling intimidated by men, it’s because physiologically, most men will finish before most women over common running distances, and when I compete, I want a reasonable possibility of winning! It’s biology for me, not ideology.

Interestingly, once you get to distances of about 50+ miles the gap closes and past that women seem to have the advantage, but thanks to my child-birth-bollocksed pelvic floor I doubt I’ll get to the distances where sex is irrelevant to my chances of placing, so I’ll stick to events where men’s and women’s times are considered separately.