To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

[crazydoglady6867]

I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

Never has an OP been more aptly self named.

“Today 08:36 crazydoglady6867

This bike group I am talking about is a MOTORCYCLE group not a cycle group. The organisation who run our club to say NO to a men only ride out
My DH is in no way intimidated by women joining or riding he is not bothered either way I was just saying IF he did want to do a Male only ride out he wouldn’t be allowed. This is just a small part of my issue. A local leisure centre has a women’s day each year doing “women’s” things what the fuck is that all about. The list goes on for me...”

This is gob smackingly selfish. Who are you to criticise women who want to meet up with other women without men present? How on earth does that affect you?

I want to be able to stand up for myself in front of men and be heard not put in a room with other women to save me from something

Great. So you don’t need a woman only event.

Are you saying you therefore can’t understand why other women might want a sex-segregated space? And that they’re wrong?

I must say I’ve never had a conversation of any length with a man who thought female only spaces were a bad idea and made them “right all along”

ifyousee. I have the ability to join in movember . Just saying

Traditionally under represented groups can organise events. Traditionally dominant groups cannot.

It’s not tricky to understand.

So there are MOBO awards but no “white only music awards”. There are women’s motorbike events but no men’s.
When has a man ever felt in the minority on a motorbike because of his sex?

OMG ONE day a YEAR for women - why the very foundations of society will collapse over that one 😭

“The OP is talking about a motorcycle group.
She said the men are not allowed to start their own group.
Why are they not allowed?”

No idea. Maybe because motorcycle groups tend to be all male anyway? Women’s groups are usually in areas where women are underrepresented. I imagine motorcycling is a classic example.

Well why don’t you get together with other female riders and say - no thanks we don’t want a women only ride out. Or they could just not go, and go to mused ones only.
Unless, couldnthis be possible, they DO want a female rider out, and it DOES encourage more women to get into the sport?

OP, what is "OTT" in your book?

Motorbiking is insanely male dominated with its fair share of dickheads (alongside the absolute gents who taught me to ride and my all-male biker pals). As a newbie I wouldn't go to an event unless it was female only. Because otherwise there is a very real chance I would be the only woman there. Pitching up with your husband is very different to arriving completely alone to an almost exclusively male event.

If you want more women in motorbiking you need to make more of an effort with them.

Having said that. If I was in charge of the club I'd be aiming to plan a ride out where two groups (male/female or mixed/female or newbie/experienced) take different routes and meet halfway round for lunch or cake or something. Because it is about building a community.

Just to point out MOBOs aren’t black only!

For gods sake of course they’re allowed to organise a mans only ride out. Who is going to stop them? Are they going to be arrested? Have their motor cycles impounded? No. Ffs, tell him
To pull together a WhatsApp group. Your DH sounds dim

You're right, OP, the poor men don't get a look in in cycling, it's all about the women. The Tour de France, the Vuelta, etc. Why isn't there a men's version? And my village cycle club is called Old Blokes In Bikes. Definitely, men arent allowed to do anything by themselves. Your poor disadvantaged son and DH, I'm literally crying for them.

Oh am I meant to feel sorry for men now? where is the world tiniest violin?

Just as an aside - I go to a women’s gym and it is wonderful for all the reasons noted above that annoyed me hugely about mixed gyms.

Even my husband says it would be nice if there were asshole and non asshole men gyms and maybe there would be some kind of checklist you could fill in

So your dh is completely unbothered by not having a male only rideout and doesnt want to organise one? Did he make an offhand comment or something and get told ' you can't do that'? What actually happened?

My dh took his own life this year. Male suicide rates are high. In fact more women attempt suicide, but more men are 'successful'. However this is the kind of issue brought up by people who worry about men's wellbeing. My dh was terribly bullied at his single sex schools, it was one of his major background issues. His father pressured him, society told him he had to be tge breadwinner. How many women in that sentence were responsible fir his suffering? Which man or woman's 'fault' was his suicide?

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this

Why post this?

Why is women fighting for womens rights seen has man hating?

Sex segregation is not the invention of females. Mens only clubs have exsisted since women were allowed out of their homes. Men made it very clear they wanted to retain men only spaces.
Men and women want to enjoy activities without the other sex. It can be more relaxing, feel more "free" and not restrictive.

Wanting equal pay and equal oppurtunity does not mean women want to over power men. Feminisim is not a man hating movement simply because it focuses on females.

Personally I think women only groups are fine and men only groups are also fine. I have no problem at all with sex segregation and I think a better solution to sex inequality would have been additional ones rather than breaking down men’s ones.

So instead of women demanding votes to men’s parliament the creation of a women’s parliament and then demanding that parliament had the same input to legislation, half the control of the executive etc as the men’s one.

Imagine the dynamic difference then. Would have been interesting.

I expect the OP will not be prepared to answer any questions, expand on any points or engage in any way with this discussion. I do hope I am wrong, but that is what usually happens with the “I worry for men and boys” posters. Which is a shame because I would love to know what they mean.

Don’t worry OP. Once the GRA gets reformed, the equality act with all those pesky women’s rights will be worthless. There will be no single sex spaces at all and you can enjoy welcoming all manner of chaps into all the female only spaces. Brave new world and all.

Can’t have women having boundaries and their own spaces can we? They might get ideas. Still, women who police other women and stamp on their rights are a vital part of the poor men’s struggle for life and you’ll no doubt be the very last to get shafted.

YABU. Hugely.

I'm watching the Two Ronnies sketch right now, OP. Set in 2012.

Watching all this subjugation and terrorisation of the poor menz is really turning me on.

I think it's important for both men and women to have access to single sex spaces and activities. Equal access to opportunities doesn't (shouldn't) mean that men and women have to do those things together .

It really isn't that hard to understand. Women require female only spaces because they are the oppressed group. The dominant majority don't require a safe space.

In the long term I imagine living in a society where women no longer require safe spaces. But the way to get there is by continuing to make society more equal, not by just getting rid of them!

My heart bleeds

OP, I agree with you in principal. Feminism has gone too far entirely. It’s no longer about equality and instead about being superior. I’ve read a lot of threads on here and seen a fair few situations in real life, where women condemn men’s behaviour, but were the situation reversed would also condem the mans behaviour.

If women genuinely wanted equality they would campaign for men’s identify to be kept secret along side women’s in sexual assault allegations (equal rights on innocent until proven guilty. They’d also demand harsher punishments for women who admit to having lied.) But we’re not fussed with any of that, because we’re not really feminists, we just want everything our way.

Recently overheard a conversation between 2 male colleagues (him and wife do same job and expecting baby soon) anyway he said she point blank refused to share her maternity leave with him as she wanted to spend a full year with baby so he was going to get 2 weeks and then be shunted back to work. She was also going to go part time afterwards and was not open to him being the one to go part time. Felt sorry for him as he said everything he raised it he was made to feel like a bully and less of a man, by his wife and family as ‘she was the mother and should be allowed to stay at home if she felt that was right’....where’s the equality there?!?!!

You want EQUALITY, she should be made to share post child leave 50/50 it’s his baby too why should he miss out?

Feminist ignore things like this because they don’t want to focus on the ‘equality’ of men, just women

Are you PROFESSIONAL ‘woman’, OP? 😉