To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

[crazydoglady6867]

I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

Can’t your DH work out himself how to start a mans cycle, or join one of hundreds that take place each weekend?

OP I know your issue. You’re a female misogynist. Hope you don’t have daughters

Because the men only rides have been happening forever. Its male dominated. Looks like theyre having womens rides so that women arent intimidated in a male dominated hobby.
Does your husband feel intimidated by women joining?

Yeah seems really unfair that the men in your cycling club don't get to do men only rides. As a trade off, if they could organise it that men don't murder women twice a week then us man haters will let them have their man only bike ride. Fair?

Well, for a start (had to choose something):

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races

If you had cycling races that did include men, the chances are that no woman would EVER win the race.

Where do you stand on the issue of Usain Bolt racing alongside female competitors? Mohammed Ali boxing against a woman?

“What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, ”

Yes, I would have an issue with that too. Where is it happening?

When you say men aren't 'allowed' to have their own cycling group, what do you mean?

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men

Sounds good, although it probably doesn't go far enough. Must Youtube it.

I play rugby against other women OP. Are we excluding the men?

“You rarely see women complaining that there are too few female miners or soldiers or bridge painters.”

No. You rarely see men complaining that there are too few male care assistants, cleaners and check out operators either.

It’s sweet if you tonworry about the men and boys, but I think they’ll be fine.
As for sport, personally I like to play my sport with people at a similar level to myself and at 5’4 that generally isn’t men. I also like to play for fun sometimes more than the winning and find when I play a bloke that generally isn’t the case because they don’t like the idea hatbthey might get beaten by a woman.

“I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men”

What exactly are you worrying about?

Well I DO want a special running race that men don't compete in, it feels shit to be overtaken by a load of blokes. Women have [and still are] fought long and hard for the rights we do have [which are being eroded], to be worried about the men is pointless, worry about finding a naked man in the female changing rooms, loos and women's refuges. Poor men awwwwwwwwwww
I think, OP, you have your priorities wrong.

Let the men organise their own group

So that women can complain it excludes them, gain access, demand special privileges and then scoff that men should organise their own group if they don't like it?

So how are women's rights bad for women (as per your title) OP ? You seem to be concentrating in how they are bad for men.

This bike group I am talking about is a MOTORCYCLE group not a cycle group. The organisation who run our club to say NO to a men only ride out
My DH is in no way intimidated by women joining or riding he is not bothered either way I was just saying IF he did want to do a Male only ride out he wouldn’t be allowed. This is just a small part of my issue. A local leisure centre has a women’s day each year doing “women’s” things what the fuck is that all about. The list goes on for me...

Well if it’s a motorcycle club of course they need female only runs. To encourage women who might feel intimidated / embarrassed about what is a very male dominated hobby.

It’s a well known fact amongst socio-linguists that when there is a mixed group of people the women talk less and default to male topics.

So there is clearly a need to encourage women if you want them to participate equally.

I think you need to check your privilege OP.

It's lovely that your lived experience hasn't yet thrown you into a circumstance where you see first-hand the need for protected women-only spaces and opportunities. That makes you lucky.

One day maybe all sexism and misogyny and gender stereotypes will be history, and then what you say might be true. We are not there yet by a LONG way.

Having had the luck to be born into a comfortably-off home with parents who both strongly believed in gender equality, I was protected from realising how much sexism there still is in the world. It took years and years before I realised that the fight for women to be truly recognised as equal and fully human is not actually yet won. Other women with less comfortable and privileged backgrounds work it out sooner. We still need feminism.

The OP is talking about a motorcycle group.
She said the men are not allowed to start their own group.
Why are they not allowed?

A local leisure centre has a women’s day each year doing “women’s” things what the fuck is that all about.

One day!! You’re upset about one day! Are you upset about Movember too?

YANBU however to say that segregation and this return to calls for women only spaces are bad for women. It took women forever to be allowed into the boys clubs and to not be treated like special snowflakes in need of protection and private spaces (hell we are still fighting for these things). Segregation, especially segregation under the guise of "protection", is never good.

Snowflake women wanting womens prisons to not house men..

This bike group I am talking about is a MOTORCYCLE group not a cycle group. The organisation who run our club to say NO to a men only ride out

So a group that has been traditionally heavily male are making it easier for women to be involved. And that’s an issue because?

My DH is in no way intimidated by women joining or riding he is not bothered either way I was just saying IF he did want to do a Male only ride out he wouldn’t be allowed

So he’s asked and was told no? Has he tried to set one up?

A local leisure centre has a women’s day each year doing “women’s” things what the fuck is that all about

I don’t know OP. Why not share what the classes are?

The list goes on for me...

Misogyny often does.

Oh, and I should add that as a gay woman i love blokes, as most lesbians do actually. We have a lot in common. I’ve never been stood up by a man, had my heartbroken by a man or been messed around by a man.So usually get the best bits of relationships with blokes without the rest of it.

barbaria. Because the segregate us and mske our we need protection and we are vulnerable and that is surely making men feel they were right all along! I want to be able to stand up for myself in front of men and be heard not put in a room with other women to save me from something.

“A local leisure centre has a women’s day each year doing “women’s” things what the fuck is that all about”

Do you mean a day when women who might not have ever used a gym before can come in and have a go without worrying about men being there which might encourage them to start getting fit? One day a year......?

^Let the men organise their own group

So that women can complain it excludes them, gain access, demand special privileges and then scoff that men should organise their own group if they don't like it?^

Where is this happening?