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To think women’s rights are actually bad for women

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crazydoglady6867 · 16/09/2018 08:05

I am sure I will get shot down for this but here goes:

I really think that women wanting and largely getting EQUALITY is the best thing that is happening in modern times. What I have an issue with is women wanting to be better than men, wanting more rights and with girls/women only groups sports events etc we are actually just segregating ourselves and making men feel ostracised in some situations which is making them feel they need to gain back this “power” they feel they should have over women.
I am in a bike group who have a ladies section and they are just recently going a bit OTT over the women riders and making them more inclusive than the men really, they have special ride outs for them but men are not allowed to have a male only one. Etc etc...

You can see where I am going with this, and I am happy to change my mind in how I feel if posters come up with a reasonable debate into why I am wrong here.

I want to be thought of as equal to my male counterparts I don’t feel I need to have special running races they can’t run in or special groups my son can’t join or special days to celebrate my gender.

I remember a sketch in the 70’s on the Two Ronnies with Diana Dors in it called “the worm has turned” and thinking yeah as if that will ever happen, well people I can honestly say I am getting a bit worried for our men.

I know MN has a good proportion of man haters but you can’t all be like that, am I really the only one who feels like this.

OP posts:
tillytop · 16/09/2018 21:53

Mamaryliss read all OP's posts and learn about true feminism, there's a dear. Read and learn!

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 21:56

The organisers of the club are saying the men can't have a men only ride-out, and what sex are the club organisers?
But presumably they are afraid of people like @BertrandRussell claiming that they are being discriminatory and don' t want the trouble?

Not quite the same as 'all men are rapists' is it?

Then what was the inference.

These men in my life are decent - how do you know? How do you know they aren't rapists? How can you possibly know (asked several times)

Surely the inference being you can't take any man at face value. You can't trust that any man isn't a rapist.

If I'm wrong explain what was meant

Mamaryllis · 16/09/2018 21:57

Lol yeah. I tried but I couldn’t see past the penises. There wasn’t a lot of room for any women unless any of them had a magic wand to hand.

Mamaryllis · 16/09/2018 21:58

It’s trying. There’s no room for women in equality these days. The men are taking up all the available space.

BertrandRussell · 16/09/2018 21:58

In areas where one sex is under represented, it is not discriminatory to have single sex groups to boost involvement. If that sex is not underrepresented, then single sex groups are discriminatory. Remember my boy's book group? Probably not because it doesn't fit your narrative! A girl's only book group would be discriminatory.

RedDogsBeg · 16/09/2018 21:59

And I guess this answers the question as to why did the MEN in the cycle club deny other MEN their men only group.

The answer being they were afraid that a woman would come along claiming discrimination

That's quite an assumption on your behalf Arthuritis and on behalf of the organisers if that's what they are thinking. I can see nowhere that the OP gave any particular reason for the organisers refusing a men only ride-out.

5bobaweek · 16/09/2018 21:59

You have failed to prove that mens rights are eroded in any way by womens rights. And failed to prove that men are in any way disadvantaged in society.

So you're also failing to prove why women should be worrying about mens rights.

But you are proving that women have been so oppressed by men for so long that the needs and wants of men are always more important.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:01

Just looked up MRA

Men Rights Activists. Civil society associations concerned with combating accepted discrimination against men in contemporary western society, especially in the areas of military service, family law, popular culture and other areas when double standards are applied. Often targets of hate speech by radical feminists

Can you be a woman and believe this?

If yes then yep. I agree

tillytop · 16/09/2018 22:01

Goodnight Arthuritis and good luck. You'll need it! Grin Oh, and MRA is Mens Rights Activist. Meant to be an insult because who would want to defend mens rights?Wink

tillytop · 16/09/2018 22:03

Sorry, x post. Good luck.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/09/2018 22:03

arthur

You looked it up on the urban dictionary

You know thats not a proper dictionary

Look up your name and your kids name that's honestly a funny thing to do...it was spot on with ds1

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:04

@RedDogsBeg

But @BertrandRussell is confirming that it would be discriminatory so it's not conjecture is it?

If it is discrimination then it's reasonable to think that this is why the organisers took that view

Mamaryllis · 16/09/2018 22:04

Apropos of nothing, ds got hounded out of ballet by the girls. Smile
A boys class was set up to increase representation and provide an option for boys who were uncomfortable in the main class, in the hope that more boys would attend (also to coerce dads who were already uncomfortable that their sons were doing ‘girly stuff’)
None of the girl’s mums demanded that their classes became single sex just because the school added a boys class.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:06

@tillytop

Thank you.

I just looked it up. The bit that said it was a hate term used by radical feminists made it all the more appealing.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:07

@Mamaryllis

That's horrible for your son. Did he carry on going?

BertrandRussell · 16/09/2018 22:09

The Urban Diictuonary is not a reliable source. Honestly.

It's not me that says it's discriminatory- it is!

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:13

So this is the definition of discrimination by the EOC

Discrimination means treating a person unfairly because of who they are or because they possess certain characteristics

So how does allowing men to have a men only group, when there is a women only group and a mixed only group, constitute discrimination? Who is being treated unfairly?

Same with a girls only reading group @Bertrand? If there's a boys group who is being treated unfairly by also having a girls group?

No one is getting less because of them are they so who is it unfair to?

BertrandRussell · 16/09/2018 22:13

"That's horrible for your son. Did he carry on going?"

Yes, ur was horrible for him. Does that give you a sense of why single sex groups are sometimes a good idea?

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:14

@BertrandRussell

The EOC appears to say differently.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:15

Yes, ur was horrible for him. Does that give you a sense of why single sex groups are sometimes a good idea?

I understand why single sex groups are a good idea.

Why can't both sexes have single sex groups though? What is the issue?

seventhgonickname · 16/09/2018 22:18

My dds school doesn't believe that sports should be segregated.This is Secondary School. This has lead to a dramatic drop in girls trying in sports.
So far this term they gave being doing general fitness training.2/3of the class or boys.Theydo their exercises then all the boys sit and watch the girls do theirs.
Unsurprisingly the girls are self conscious and didn't try very hard .
I have become v.pissed off that girls are put off sport.I don't care about the rights/wrongs about equality when the reality is that teen girls exercising needs to be segregated if the alternative us that they don't participate and health suffers.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:24

@seventhgonickname
I've heard of this in a few schools - usually when intake has been low so they can't afford 2 teachers to take half a class each (if I've explained that right) or in one school I know of where they couldn't get a female PE teacher so had to amalgamate the classes.

Doesn't work for anyone.

Girls feel self conscious and the boys moan because they miss out on contact sports.

Have you spoken to the school? Can they change timetables around to separate the classes? Or buy in a coach to teach one group?

BertrandRussell · 16/09/2018 22:24

"Why can't both sexes have single sex groups though? What is the issue?"
I honestly don't think I can come up with any other ways of explaining it. I am beginning to suspect that you are misunderstanding deliberately. So I think I'm out.

GoldenWonderwall · 16/09/2018 22:24

I’m not being mean to actual men because none of these men actually exist do they? Straw motorcyclists and straw teachers accused of being peados by the mums. None of these things happened. I do hope the lurkers can see this is classic bullshit 101 with sock puppets, sealioning, strawmen, and probably others things that begin with s.

Waits to be told how horrible I’m being to a hypothetical motorcycle gang that are so cowed by the thought that a feminist might not agree with their plans to have an all male motorcycle ride that they won’t even entertain the notion. I predict a new suffrage movement.

Arthuritis · 16/09/2018 22:28

@GoldenWonderwall

Yup because only your experience is real isn't it?

Only your version of the world is true.

Anyone that has a different experience to you is lying because they can't validate you and your argument?

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